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"Please just use plain English, I don't understand what you're saying."
- rzk 2mo agoDamn, I've been telling the same thing to Claude, good to know I'm not alone. I've also noticed that Opus 5 is much worse in this regard than Fable. It's as if the model is speaking Mentalese, or in some "bag of concepts" language.
- nephihaha 2mo agoIt reminds me of the PoMo jargon generator. See some results here: https://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/ https://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/
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- feverzsj 2mo agoThey scan too many classical literature.
- TacticalCoder 2mo agoDo they scan too many classical literature or does classical literature happen to love metaphors and allegories, which are basically weights/patterns?
- jappgar 2mo agoOr have too few programmers read classical literature?
- LearnYouALisp 2mo agoToo much classical literature Many would be works, writings, etc.
- recursivecaveat 2mo agoIt probably tests well when they're doing reinforcement learning. Humans trying to use in-group terminology or uncommon vocabulary to impress other humans with their knowledge and sophistication is a tale as old as time.
- watwut 2mo agoUnlikely. A lot of classical literature is fairly readable. The only issue are archaic words of you use old translation.
- chantepierre 2mo agoI've had "tractable beachhead" a bit earlier today. Like in "the tractable beachhead was the coupling between X and Y". A bit of googling did not help me, I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean.
- sdwr 2mo agoTractable is solvable, the opposite of intractable, and a beachhead is a landing point for an invasion. A tractable beachhead is a solvable first chunk of work that sets you up for the rest of the project
- ButlerianJihad 2mo agoThe art of rhetoric and human communication involves knowing your audience, and when using idioms and metaphors, you choose those which are shared in common to be immediately recognizable and impactful. When I was 19, I had a psychologist who employed a lot of baseball idioms. "We'll touch base next week..." and although I am not a baseball fan, my father is, and we're all Americans, and so the baseball references were well-understood by his audience of one. When an LLM starts going off about a "tractable beachhead" that behavior indicates that it's unaware of its audience, and also ignorant of how to put together a human idiom. That's exciting that emergent behavior is coining new idioms that may be applicable to some situation, and also explainable by dudes on Hacker News, but that wasn't the point of the comment. The point is that the LLM's audience wasn't a veteran of D-Day in WWII, and even with an understanding of what those words mean individually, neither he nor I recognized "tractable beachhead" as a meaningful idiom for speakers of standard English.
- bennettnate5 2mo ago> That's exciting that emergent behavior is coining new idioms that may be applicable to some situation I dunno, it feels pretty similar to an elementary student blindly swapping words with a thesaurus to increase the sophistication of their writing (which I readily admit I was guilty of doing once). It sounds more intelligent but lacks substance.
- rzk 2mo agoAn interesting solution suggested in the replies (https://x.com/andrew_n_carr/status/2081534245370314816 https://x.com/andrew_n_carr/status/2081534245370314816): The fix for this is to say: only report to me in ASD-STE100 Simplified Technical English. More info about it here: Simplified Technical English - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Technical_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Technical_English
- dizhn 2mo agoNice. It sounds like doing a few passes on industrial product documentation with this might be beneficial.
- artogahr 2mo agoI looked into it a bit more, and while it does look helpful in the first glance, it actually isn't a good fit for code. It's very aviation-terminology-focused. A better guide would be something like Google Developer Style Guide
- quinncom 2mo agoOr, as the Wikipedia Simplified Technical English Wikipedia mentions, use Plain English or Plain Language as non-aerospace alternatives: > The US government's Plain English lacks the strict vocabulary restrictions of the aerospace standard, but represents an attempt at a more general writing standard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_English > Modern corporations and academic organizations hire technical writers already trained to follow a simplified form of English that the layman reader can easily understand, known as plain language (PL). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_language And so we've looped back around OP’s “plain English” phrasing.
- mechanicum 2mo agoI was curious so I asked Claude how it would do that: https://gist.github.com/waddie/b26166eec6cf675c044c09a95a754d7d https://gist.github.com/waddie/b26166eec6cf675c044c09a95a754... I thought this bit was interesting: > TE has no register for hedging, ownership of an opinion, or acknowledging that a reasonable person would disagree. Modality is roughly can / must / do not. […] Where a thought can't be said in STE without becoming a lie, I'd mark it and say it plainly rather than mangle it. Confidence and disagreement are the two things I'd insist on smuggling through.
- Havoc 2mo agoLooks like pure hallucinations just in a more poetic sophisticated register?
- veganmosfet 2mo agoTangentially, Opus-5 is the first model to understand my (bad) jokes: "Site refuses non-curl user agents (joke 266 status)." [0] [0] https://itmeetsot.eu/posts/2026-07-27-opus5/ https://itmeetsot.eu/posts/2026-07-27-opus5/
- usui 2mo agoI've had to make the same request multiple times recently. Has anyone noticed it getting worse with the more recent models? It reminds me of when someone is trying to convince you of their intelligence by replacing simple and straightforward explanations with words pulled out of a thesaurus, so maybe that's the objective of these more recent iterations. Throwback to grade school.
- j-pb 2mo agoAh that's just because the new training set also includes "The King in Yellow".
- btschaegg 2mo agoImagine someone sneaking in The King in Yellow into the training sets used by all projects training models somehow, breaking all future models irreparably -- and then the engineers trying to find this poison pill in the dataset and going mad one by one as they find it and aren't able avoid reading into act 2. …should make for an interesting SCP story :)
- carloseduardopx 2mo agothanks this isn’t just an individual experience… I was starting to think i’d become too dumb for opus
- ThePowerOfFuet 2mo agohttps://xcancel.com/mykola/status/2081450468178579594 https://xcancel.com/mykola/status/2081450468178579594
- mmarian 2mo agoGood to know it's not just me! I also found it's way too verbose. So much so that I added an entry in my Claude.md telling it to be concise.