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Have the duress PIN on sticker on your phone. Maybe put it backwards and don’t say anything to border patrol. Have them try it out and erase the phone and then
by reenorap 2mo ago
Have the duress PIN on sticker on your phone. Maybe put it backwards and don’t say anything to border patrol. Have them try it out and erase the phone and then you can legitimately say you didn’t do anything and they did it themselves.
- koolba 2mo agoBe funnier if you even write “do not enter 123456”.
- president_zippy 2mo agoThat might have actually been legal. I'm not a lawyer, but it's definitely better for the accused than what happened in reality. "I told you not to. You're the ones who wiped my phone. You owe me money for destroying my personal property." I'm not saying you would get a check courtesy of Uncle Sam for your troubles, but the argument that you deceived authorities into destroying evidence is a lot weaker. I might go with "do not enter 696969" instead because the stranger fiddling with your phone probably expects a your phone to do something funny, like load a shock site.
- nkrisc 2mo agoBut if the prosecutors can make a convincing argument that your intent was exactly that all along, then you may end up convicted anyway. Intent matters. It might be hard to prove, but it matters. It may not even be that hard; what other possible explanation is there for someone putting a PIN visible on their phone that wipes it while crossing a border?
- ww520 2mo agoAs a speech.
- IncreasePosts 2mo ago"it would be funny if the border police typed it in to my phone"
- nkrisc 2mo agoI think you should read the other reply about not saying anything at all.
- Xirdus 2mo agoNot saying anything at all is one of the worst things you can do when questioned by law enforcement in the US (though "it would be funny" is a close second). The right way to remain silent is to loudly proclaim "I am exercising my right to remain silent."
- achierius 2mo agoFor if someone steals the phone?
- stickfigure 2mo ago> what other possible explanation is there for someone putting a PIN visible on their phone that wipes it while crossing a border? Two obvious answers: 1. It's for the general case of lost/stolen phone. 2. It's for the owner. I can't remember numbers I don't type in, might as well keep it visible on the device.
- reenorap 2mo agoThere’s no way to prove intent if you keep your mouth shut and don’t answer anything.
- victorbjorklund 2mo agoYea, that’s not how it works in practice. If they catch you standing over a dead body holding the murder weapon. Then you can’t just say they can’t prove intent if you keep your mouth shut.
- weli 2mo agoYea but that's where "reasonable suspicion" comes in a court of law. If you are standing next to a dead body, with a bloody knife in your hand.
- account42 2mo agoAnd doing anything non-standard with your phone is going to shift the reasonable suspicion away from favoring you unless you can explain yourself.
- nkrisc 2mo agoThat’s good advice to not talk, but it won’t necessarily save you.
- LadyCailin 2mo agoThey might be able to convict on that, but that sets a dangerous precedent imo, which is that doing anything preemptively to prevent searches is conviction worthy, including the preparation the OP suggested.
- 8note 2mo agoif the cops do that, they're breaking the law with that search already theyll have a hard time showing that you intended for the government to break the law. first the government would have to admit breaking the law
- nkrisc 2mo agoUnfortunately I think they have pretty wide latitude to perform searches at border crossings.
- unrealhoang 2mo agoclaim your password to be some derivative of the duress PIN, for example: 1234 is password reminder for 2444 (one 2 three 4), the device is erased anyway.
- weberer 2mo ago>what other possible explanation is there for someone putting a PIN visible on their phone that wipes it while crossing a border? For thieves, obviously.
- apparent 2mo agoWhy would agents think that a number written on your phone is the PIN? That would only make sense if it was a communally-used device, not a personal one. Also, no one would put sensitive info on a devices that has the PIN affixed to it. I suppose it's possible someone might enter it without thinking, but the odds seem low. Also seems risky to put a self-destruct PIN on your device, lest a friend (or enemy) enter it by accident or as a prank.
- sda2 2mo agowith this sort of configuration, you either trust your backups or you don’t ;)
- esikich 2mo agoI've worked with fleets of company phones and mobile devices, people absolutely do this.
- apparent 2mo agoThey do this with devices that have sensitive information that would be of interest to federal agents?
- jandrewrogers 2mo agoThe police will ask you if the PIN unlocks the phone before using it.
- mcherm 2mo agoRefusing to answer questions IS one of the rights that the US government mostly honors.
- cute_boi 2mo agoWell, these days especially at border police don't care about "rights"
- one33seven 2mo agoThat's missing in this entire conversation. This all sounds like it's 2016 or something
- int_19h 2mo agoThis is not a "these days" thing. Most rights essentially being abrogated at the border is a thing we've had for many decades now. In particular, no non-citizen has the absolute right of entry, and border agents have discretion bordering on insane when it comes to not admitting people or temporarily detaining them. Worse yet, this being the case, the job attracts the kind of people who relish the petty power trip. I've seen this many times back in 2010-2011 when I was traveling regularly as a non-citizen between US and Canada.
- Xirdus 2mo agoI don't think denying entry to non-citizens abrogates anyone's rights.
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- rootusrootus 2mo agoOr just make it your birthday. Though I'm not at all sure the agents will try typing random codes in without at least some idea that they may work, given that many OS's will quickly start to punish with tarpitting.
- haritha-j 2mo agoI wouldn't write it down, I would just make it 1234. They're bound to try that. Then they have absolutely no case against you.
- NoGravitas 2mo agoThat's the combination on my luggage!