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God forbid we put out a pan of dry kibbles for a stray cat or a water pan outside for hiking dogs during hot days. That would be “enabling”.

by hbarka 2mo ago

Salgat 2mo ago
When I lived in Chicago I'd see rats and cats eating cat food left out alongside each other. I'm not against helping wild animals as long as it doesn't come with a rat infestation issue.
- hbarka 2mo ago
  I know that one. It’s the good ol’ tolerance formula: Tolerance(A) = { 100% if A ≠ B; 0% if A → B } Sprinkle on anything to suit your taste.
  - e_i_pi_2 2mo ago
    This does seem like an unfortunate truth of life, I always want to loan friends money, but can't afford to if they keep not paying me back :/ I also want to put a bird feeder outside a window we have, but I know that'll mean bird poop on a walkway that other people use Same with some technology, I want to use X because it seems better but I know that'll mean it won't get the same support as Y so we have to use Y
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- asdff 2mo ago
  It doesn't. You already have a rat infestation issue. This doesn't cause it or further it. You think that little handful of kibble compares to the free calories available in an entire dumpster full of chicago deep dish pizza scrap that sits out in the open air day in day out?
  - Salgat 2mo ago
    My assumption is that it exacerbates it, by keeping the primary predator of rats well fed. Are you saying that cats have no impact on rat populations?
    - asdff 2mo ago
      Their play drive is high enough that they will hunt for sport even if well fed otherwise.
BigTTYGothGF 2mo ago
They can take my bird feeders from my cold dead hands.
- frantathefranta 2mo ago
  Feeding stray cats and feeding birds are very different things, pretty much at odds with each other. If a stray cat is fed, birds have a more difficult time surviving.
  - BigTTYGothGF 2mo ago
    Feeding birds is just feeding stray cats with an extra step.
e_i_pi_2 2mo ago
I do this too, but it's important to make sure you're either fully adopting them to keep them inside and care for medical issues, or at least make sure they get neutered/spayed before they're let out again if they can't live indoors. Stray cats are terrible for the local ecology- just feeding them without taking those steps is definitely harmful. In my town you can call animal control for strays and they'll clip the ears so you can see that they can't reproduce and are safe to leave out. I'd also be hesitant to give people the idea that racoons are safe to interact with, even stray cats can be dangerous, but racoons can do much more damage. I feel like the ideal situation is they capture him and find an animal sanctuary away from the public. Wild animals with genetic issues don't usually live a great life
- Rotdhizon 2mo ago
  Or you can just toss some food out and call it a day This ideology that all stray animals need to be siphoned up and neutered on the spot is bizarre to me. Sure there is a balance to be struck as you can't have a hundred thousand cats in a small area, but this idea that stray cats and dogs are simply not allowed to exist and reproduce naturally is insane.
  - dghlsakjg 2mo ago
    Have you ever lived in a place where there aren’t effective control efforts? These programs aren’t about people feeling good about themselves. The middle ground you suggest IS neutering and spaying all the animals you can find. The more extreme end of control is culls. It isn’t something you can ignore without pretty serious second order effects. It ends up being pretty grim for the animals and sometimes humans too when stray population isn’t controlled. I’m talking about the conditions these animals end up enduring, not the culling which is its own grim process. As someone who had to help get a stray cat population under control the ugly way (limited budget in a developing country), I would much rather that strays get fixed before it gets there.
    - annzabelle 2mo ago
      I live in New Zealand, where they are big efforts to cull non-native wildlife, including all mammalian predators. There are traplines through the woods here, and I remember seeing a Department of Conservation visitor centre with a diorama of stray cats being killed by a kill trap. Locally we've got an overpopulation of goats, and apparently they're going to start shooting them from helicopters. They also drop a poison bait called 1080 that kills mammals from helicopters in remote regions here.
silisili 2mo ago
You do you, but I'd ask in earnest people please don't. Cats are invasive to the US and wreak havoc on local wildlife populations. Where I live, so many people feed the ferals that they've become an overpopulated menace.

God forbid we put out a pan of dry kibbles for a stray cat or a water pan outside for hiking dogs during hot days. That would be “enabling”.

by hbarka 2mo ago

God forbid we put out a pan of dry kibbles for a stray cat or a water pan outside for hiking dogs during hot days. That would be “enabling”.

Salgat 2mo ago

When I lived in Chicago I'd see rats and cats eating cat food left out alongside each other. I'm not against helping wild animals as long as it doesn't come with a rat infestation issue.

hbarka 2mo ago
I know that one. It’s the good ol’ tolerance formula: Tolerance(A) = { 100% if A ≠ B; 0% if A → B } Sprinkle on anything to suit your taste.
- e_i_pi_2 2mo ago
  This does seem like an unfortunate truth of life, I always want to loan friends money, but can't afford to if they keep not paying me back :/ I also want to put a bird feeder outside a window we have, but I know that'll mean bird poop on a walkway that other people use Same with some technology, I want to use X because it seems better but I know that'll mean it won't get the same support as Y so we have to use Y
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asdff 2mo ago
It doesn't. You already have a rat infestation issue. This doesn't cause it or further it. You think that little handful of kibble compares to the free calories available in an entire dumpster full of chicago deep dish pizza scrap that sits out in the open air day in day out?
- Salgat 2mo ago
  My assumption is that it exacerbates it, by keeping the primary predator of rats well fed. Are you saying that cats have no impact on rat populations?
  - asdff 2mo ago
    Their play drive is high enough that they will hunt for sport even if well fed otherwise.

BigTTYGothGF 2mo ago

They can take my bird feeders from my cold dead hands.

frantathefranta 2mo ago
Feeding stray cats and feeding birds are very different things, pretty much at odds with each other. If a stray cat is fed, birds have a more difficult time surviving.
- BigTTYGothGF 2mo ago
  Feeding birds is just feeding stray cats with an extra step.

e_i_pi_2 2mo ago

I do this too, but it's important to make sure you're either fully adopting them to keep them inside and care for medical issues, or at least make sure they get neutered/spayed before they're let out again if they can't live indoors. Stray cats are terrible for the local ecology- just feeding them without taking those steps is definitely harmful. In my town you can call animal control for strays and they'll clip the ears so you can see that they can't reproduce and are safe to leave out. I'd also be hesitant to give people the idea that racoons are safe to interact with, even stray cats can be dangerous, but racoons can do much more damage. I feel like the ideal situation is they capture him and find an animal sanctuary away from the public. Wild animals with genetic issues don't usually live a great life

Rotdhizon 2mo ago
Or you can just toss some food out and call it a day This ideology that all stray animals need to be siphoned up and neutered on the spot is bizarre to me. Sure there is a balance to be struck as you can't have a hundred thousand cats in a small area, but this idea that stray cats and dogs are simply not allowed to exist and reproduce naturally is insane.
- dghlsakjg 2mo ago
  Have you ever lived in a place where there aren’t effective control efforts? These programs aren’t about people feeling good about themselves. The middle ground you suggest IS neutering and spaying all the animals you can find. The more extreme end of control is culls. It isn’t something you can ignore without pretty serious second order effects. It ends up being pretty grim for the animals and sometimes humans too when stray population isn’t controlled. I’m talking about the conditions these animals end up enduring, not the culling which is its own grim process. As someone who had to help get a stray cat population under control the ugly way (limited budget in a developing country), I would much rather that strays get fixed before it gets there.
  - annzabelle 2mo ago
    I live in New Zealand, where they are big efforts to cull non-native wildlife, including all mammalian predators. There are traplines through the woods here, and I remember seeing a Department of Conservation visitor centre with a diorama of stray cats being killed by a kill trap. Locally we've got an overpopulation of goats, and apparently they're going to start shooting them from helicopters. They also drop a poison bait called 1080 that kills mammals from helicopters in remote regions here.

silisili 2mo ago

You do you, but I'd ask in earnest people please don't. Cats are invasive to the US and wreak havoc on local wildlife populations. Where I live, so many people feed the ferals that they've become an overpopulated menace.