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Oh wow, they actually provided the full torrent. I was always hoping they would so it could be studied. For those unfamiliar, 2B2T was a Minecraft anarchy serv

Oh wow, they actually provided the full torrent. I was always hoping they would so it could be studied. For those unfamiliar, 2B2T was a Minecraft anarchy server that had almost no restrictions. It devolved into roving gangs of people trying to kill each other, use cheats to find secret bases, etc. The trick to hiding on this server was to go as far away as possible from the center, which led to an enormous map size. I joined with a friend several years ago to see if we could survive, and it took days just to get out of the spawn, which was completely destroyed, surrounded by massive walls, and flooded with Withers (very difficult to kill enemies). Fascinating study and perhaps the biggest metaverse experiment that's ever happened (but definitely the most lawless one). This is what spawn looked like from above https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/vrKyqEBoNvRVbCtHoG6BGX-970-80.jpg.webp https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/vrKyqEBoNvRVbCtHoG6BGX-970...

krisroadruck 2mo ago
Was? It's still online no?
- doodlesdev 2mo ago
  It's still online, but it's not anarchy anymore [0]. [0]: https://www.2b2t.org/terms/ https://www.2b2t.org/terms/
  - pineapplepizza6 2mo ago
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    - DANmode 2mo ago
      Hey now, they just want a very polite, predictable world for the children! /s
      - lwkl 2mo ago
        Microsoft just wants to avoid press of kids getting groomed or seeing adult content on Minecraft servers. Stuff like this is bad for a brand that primarily targets kids as new players and could get them into hot water with regulators. I personally believe that they probably should add parental controls to Minecraft so parents can control what if and what kind of servers kids can join. I also believe more control will put more scrutiny on Microsoft since I haven't a lot of negative press about child safety in Minecraft especially in comparison with Roblox for example.
    - vlian2088 2mo ago
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    - nonethewiser 2mo ago
      what? how does censoring "fuck" not make it anarchy?
      - csande17 2mo ago
        "Anarchy" in Minecraft means no rules, and "you can't say bad words (or build things containing bad words)" is a rule.
      - lostlogin 2mo ago
        That’s wild if true. The slippery slope starts somewhere, but I too am not convinced it starts there.
        lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2mo ago
        Where else would it start if not "you're not allowed to say this word because I don't like it"? Personally, I don't see why that word being banned gets a free pass. Would this proverbial slope start with speech at all? I can't imagine why one would accept one word being banned, then stand up to decry another being banned. What word would that be? Why is it more worthy than any other word? Historically, it doesn't seem like much of a fallacy to say speech controls become more stringent after being introduced. Indeed, historically, one could remove the word "speech" and still be correct. The control doesn't go away in most cases until power changes hands, and even then it's often meeting the new boss, same as the old boss.
      - hhh 2mo ago
        censorship and anarchy are opposing ideals
    - 8note 2mo ago
      doesnt everyone on 2b2t use hacked clients anyways?
      - 63 2mo ago
        I suspect the real threat wasn't the blacklisting so much as the possibility of lawsuits that could come after
        anal_reactor 2mo ago
        [dead]
    - 63 2mo ago
      I think broadly I'm in agreement that the censorship via blacklisting threats was unwarranted. That said, I also think we should keep in mind that this isn't some public forum made for adults to have discussions, it's a public block game server. I think it's more than reasonable to say that the average minecraft player is probably a child and one of the most popular servers being full of swastikas and racial slurs probably isn't good for children. Personally I think there was potential for some kind of middle ground, but I'm also not mourning the loss of the obsidian nazi builds too hard. The paradox of tolerance and all that. The vast majority of the anarchy spirit is still there, it's just slightly less edgy. It's hard to discuss in good faith because the advocates for lack of censorship here are largely people who want to spam the N word in chat all day or their unwitting allies. Ultimately, whatever the outcome (and I think the current outcome is at least /ok/), I've made peace with the possibility of losing minecraft as a medium for totally free speech. It's just a block game.
      - Telaneo 2mo ago
        It's a case of some people making it worse for everyone. If people behaved on the server, MS wouldn't have intervened, which then wouldn't have made 2b2t cave on a what feels like a core ideal. It may only have chipped a corner of that ideal, but it still stings. That said, I think it is inevitable for any anarchist server that gets large enough to end up in this exact situation. MS wasn't going to let one of the biggest and most famous servers of its most popular game be filled with swastikas. Even less so when it's so popular with kids. In a funnier world, 2b2t would have said 'no', but I have a feeling MS would escalate, and that whatever email or whatever the admins got probably implied as much, so maybe that world wouldn't be funnier after all.
        phatskat 2mo ago
        > That said, I think it is inevitable for any anarchist server that gets large enough to end up in this exact situation. Agree, and I think it’s the community’s responsibility to decide what is and isn’t tolerable - even within anarchy. Forget MS, the (imo) proper response should have been the community actively choosing to deface and destroy the nazi stuff, or outright ban it from the moment it became a thing. This topic touches on a lot of the themes in [How to Radicalize a Normie](https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g).
    - no_time 2mo ago
      MS really hates minecraft's inherited self hosted server model. You can actually get a global ban for wrongthink commited on your own private server. (granted, someone needs to report you but still) Also not really a censorship issue but I'm kinda bummed that the new version will default to having the server whitelist on. Going on an ip scanning site and joining random minecraft servers accindentally left on for years is an experience like no other. Some of the longer running ones are full of signs left by other explorers, or just griefed to shit. One of the few remaining wild wests on the internet.
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l3x4ur1n 2mo ago
Wow, how did you do the screenshot?
- madeofpalk 2mo ago
  looks a bit like chunky, maybe? https://chunky-dev.github.io/docs/ https://chunky-dev.github.io/docs/
- dopidopHN2 2mo ago
  Also, this is minecraft ? Holy shit

krisroadruck 2mo ago

Was? It's still online no?

doodlesdev 2mo ago
It's still online, but it's not anarchy anymore [0]. [0]: https://www.2b2t.org/terms/ https://www.2b2t.org/terms/
- pineapplepizza6 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - DANmode 2mo ago
    Hey now, they just want a very polite, predictable world for the children! /s
    - lwkl 2mo ago
      Microsoft just wants to avoid press of kids getting groomed or seeing adult content on Minecraft servers. Stuff like this is bad for a brand that primarily targets kids as new players and could get them into hot water with regulators. I personally believe that they probably should add parental controls to Minecraft so parents can control what if and what kind of servers kids can join. I also believe more control will put more scrutiny on Microsoft since I haven't a lot of negative press about child safety in Minecraft especially in comparison with Roblox for example.
  - vlian2088 2mo ago
    [dead]
  - nonethewiser 2mo ago
    what? how does censoring "fuck" not make it anarchy?
    - csande17 2mo ago
      "Anarchy" in Minecraft means no rules, and "you can't say bad words (or build things containing bad words)" is a rule.
    - lostlogin 2mo ago
      That’s wild if true. The slippery slope starts somewhere, but I too am not convinced it starts there.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2mo ago
        Where else would it start if not "you're not allowed to say this word because I don't like it"? Personally, I don't see why that word being banned gets a free pass. Would this proverbial slope start with speech at all? I can't imagine why one would accept one word being banned, then stand up to decry another being banned. What word would that be? Why is it more worthy than any other word? Historically, it doesn't seem like much of a fallacy to say speech controls become more stringent after being introduced. Indeed, historically, one could remove the word "speech" and still be correct. The control doesn't go away in most cases until power changes hands, and even then it's often meeting the new boss, same as the old boss.
    - hhh 2mo ago
      censorship and anarchy are opposing ideals
  - 8note 2mo ago
    doesnt everyone on 2b2t use hacked clients anyways?
    - 63 2mo ago
      I suspect the real threat wasn't the blacklisting so much as the possibility of lawsuits that could come after
      - anal_reactor 2mo ago
        [dead]
  - 63 2mo ago
    I think broadly I'm in agreement that the censorship via blacklisting threats was unwarranted. That said, I also think we should keep in mind that this isn't some public forum made for adults to have discussions, it's a public block game server. I think it's more than reasonable to say that the average minecraft player is probably a child and one of the most popular servers being full of swastikas and racial slurs probably isn't good for children. Personally I think there was potential for some kind of middle ground, but I'm also not mourning the loss of the obsidian nazi builds too hard. The paradox of tolerance and all that. The vast majority of the anarchy spirit is still there, it's just slightly less edgy. It's hard to discuss in good faith because the advocates for lack of censorship here are largely people who want to spam the N word in chat all day or their unwitting allies. Ultimately, whatever the outcome (and I think the current outcome is at least /ok/), I've made peace with the possibility of losing minecraft as a medium for totally free speech. It's just a block game.
    - Telaneo 2mo ago
      It's a case of some people making it worse for everyone. If people behaved on the server, MS wouldn't have intervened, which then wouldn't have made 2b2t cave on a what feels like a core ideal. It may only have chipped a corner of that ideal, but it still stings. That said, I think it is inevitable for any anarchist server that gets large enough to end up in this exact situation. MS wasn't going to let one of the biggest and most famous servers of its most popular game be filled with swastikas. Even less so when it's so popular with kids. In a funnier world, 2b2t would have said 'no', but I have a feeling MS would escalate, and that whatever email or whatever the admins got probably implied as much, so maybe that world wouldn't be funnier after all.
      - phatskat 2mo ago
        > That said, I think it is inevitable for any anarchist server that gets large enough to end up in this exact situation. Agree, and I think it’s the community’s responsibility to decide what is and isn’t tolerable - even within anarchy. Forget MS, the (imo) proper response should have been the community actively choosing to deface and destroy the nazi stuff, or outright ban it from the moment it became a thing. This topic touches on a lot of the themes in [How to Radicalize a Normie](https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g).
  - no_time 2mo ago
    MS really hates minecraft's inherited self hosted server model. You can actually get a global ban for wrongthink commited on your own private server. (granted, someone needs to report you but still) Also not really a censorship issue but I'm kinda bummed that the new version will default to having the server whitelist on. Going on an ip scanning site and joining random minecraft servers accindentally left on for years is an experience like no other. Some of the longer running ones are full of signs left by other explorers, or just griefed to shit. One of the few remaining wild wests on the internet.
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l3x4ur1n 2mo ago

Wow, how did you do the screenshot?

madeofpalk 2mo ago
looks a bit like chunky, maybe? https://chunky-dev.github.io/docs/ https://chunky-dev.github.io/docs/
dopidopHN2 2mo ago
Also, this is minecraft ? Holy shit