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If it should be front-page news, shouldn't it also be at the top of the article, rather than right at the bottom?
by voidUpdate 2mo ago
If it should be front-page news, shouldn't it also be at the top of the article, rather than right at the bottom?
- zipy124 2mo agoThat was my first reaction too. A perfect fit for a cover image of a story. Also generally when referencing something within an article you want to display a figure before talking about it.
- Walf 2mo agoI thought it was quite effective. I read the whole thing in anticipation, and was still shocked by the graph.
- ktm5j 2mo agoMost people are not going to do that though :/
- Loquebantur 2mo ago[flagged]
- PaulHoule 2mo agoIf you want to to down that road the article reads like AI slop which cooks the planet itself with energy use. Or, alternately, if the message is that important it is all the more important that it be communicated effectively.
- voidUpdate 2mo agoThat's a lot of assumptions about me based on "the important figure should be at the top of the page, not the bottom". Joe Average isn't going to want to read 14 paragraphs before getting to the actual graph the title mentions
- Loquebantur 2mo agoThe point isn't whether it's true about you in particular, it's about the actual effect it has on the general audience. Improving the design of that article will do absolutely nothing for its public reception. Voicing reasonable reactions to the salient content actually helps furthering the discussion. Nitpicking does the opposite.
- voidUpdate 2mo agoGood design will absolutely improve public reception
- Loquebantur 2mo agoIt maybe would, if people were to read it in the first place. But they don't: they go to the comments here first and try to get the gist of reactions, in order to save themselves the time to actually read the piece. You pretend, it wasn't trivial for people to scroll down to the graph. Such things aren't the issue at all. The reactions you cause with your comment above are.
- vitally3643 2mo agoPeople also won't read 14 paragraphs of prose about a graph before you show them the graph
- voidUpdate 2mo agoI doubt my single comment about the design choices of the article is turning people off from seeing what the article is about. I'm stressing that the graph is actually important to see, not saying "the design is bad so you shouldn't read this article". And given people's attention spans these days, I'd imagine reading 14 paragraphs to find the graph the title talks about might be non-trivial
- rpdillon 2mo agoJust move the image to the top when you're talking about it. This isn't deep insight, just basic readability.
- radial_symmetry 2mo ago[flagged]
- miltonlost 2mo agoCommunication about truth is also hard when against decades of industry, talk radio, right-wing media, and Republican propaganda lying about the climate. And humans, with very little scientific or critical thinking skills, felt comfort in the lie that "everything is ok!". Getting past a person's discomfort in order for them to accept truth is a high hill.
- snapcaster 2mo agookay sure, but also put the fucking graph at the top come on
- Lomlioto 2mo ago[flagged]
- rektomatic 2mo agoIsn't that the documentary that cited a study saying all snow would disappear forever from Earth by the year 2013?
- Lomlioto 2mo agoNo
- Max_Mustermann 2mo agoThey had a scientist saying the Arctic could be "ice-free" in the summer by 2013. The new forecast is for that to happen sometime mid-century.
- Sharlin 2mo agoI'm not sure if you're being actively malicious or just a great example of how lies can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes, but your comment is a great example of what we're up against here. If by "all snow would disappear forever from Earth" you meant "the Arctic could be seasonal-ice-free in the summer" by 2013, then, sure.
- ludicrousdispla 2mo agoThey should also plot the lines on actual temperature, instead of std. dev. And expressing a number as some percentage more or less than another number is a great way to make it meaningless.
- MarkusQ 2mo agoLike this? https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=nino3.4 https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=nino3.4
- ludicrousdispla 2mo agoYes, I find that much more compelling as it clearly shows temperature.
- snaking0776 2mo agoPlotting it this way is just a shift and rescaling. As the other commenter already showed this will lead to a plot that looks pretty much the same in terms of difference relative to the past data. I think standard deviation makes sense here since we don’t really have an innate sense of what is a meaningful change in ocean surface temperature and the point is to show that we are already far beyond normal here.
- darthwalsh 2mo agoThere's probably an economic incentive to get visitors to read past the show more button?
- dudefeliciano 2mo agoThere is no show more button and scroling to the graph takes less than half a second.
- darthwalsh 2mo agoOops you're right. I double-checked both from the hacker News app preview (Harmonic), and mobile Chrome. No "show more." I must have confused it with another article, sorry.