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We made Grok 4.5, GPT-5.5, and Claude build the same apps
- maxdo 2mo agoTried at work , this release def a moment I will remember. My work is not the same . The model is the first model that offer exactly as I want : For hard tasks , that needs precision I will wait and pay expensive tokens For everything else , query data , logs, rolling out releases , I’m using grok and it’s much better vs other tools and much cheaper too .
- paxys 2mo agoWhy not wait one more day for GPT-5.6?
- m4rkuskk 2mo agoThat will be in the Part 2 article.
- fluidcruft 2mo agoAnd why not Sonnet?
- faitswulff 2mo agoAlso throw in GLM 5.2 for good measure
- foxfired 2mo agoIf we wait for the next models, we will never test anything because there will always be another model. Like the Ai Scotsman: > "Nay, laddie, that’s no’ the real AI Scotsman! He’s grander still! More powerful! Just wait for the next model!"
- looksjjhg 2mo agoI think he’s being sarcastic
- acters 2mo agoI worry that GPT 5.6 will be heavily restricted and have the same feature to fallback to another model like Claude fable 5 does all too often. That fallback shenanigans mess up actual benchmarks and I don't like it.
- trollbridge 2mo agoWell, I'm probably not on the list of special people who will get to see GPT-5.6 Terra.
- mlmonkey 2mo agoI am 99% sure the post was written by AI
- dwa3592 2mo agoi will give you the remaining 1% because i felt the same way.
- jszymborski 2mo agoThe honest takeaway: this is 100% written by an LLM.
- mlmonkey 2mo agoThat was the honest giveaway ... :-D
- Crisco 2mo agoI did a quick skim and the usage of phrases like "snappy stylist" and "speed-and-value monster" were what instantly stuck out to me as AI. I decided I probably didn't need to actually read the article after that.
- walrus01 2mo agoThis is the real unlock of the speed and value monster. I am trying to figure out how many LLM converged on a writing style that resembles a LinkedIn MBA true believer. Maybe because there was just such a sheer mass of corporate-speak drone writing out there in the wild in the training data set? But more seriously, is there a firefox extension that 'skims' the text body content of a page and puts some kind of "this was probably written by AI" meter, gauge, number or indicator in the top menu bar adjacent to the URL bar? It could even be color coded in various shades from green, yellow, orange, red. If there isn't, it sure seems like something that would be good to have.
- hattmall 2mo ago
- RickS 2mo agoBarring the retry thing, n=1 on all models? Am I misreading, or is this a joke? Variance in quality on these things is so, so high.
- jeffgreco 2mo agoSo strange to write a whole post with Claude giving the best results and Grok consistently the worst, but awarding Grok the winner because at least it did the worst fastest?
- singingtoday 2mo agoGPT was the worst on the Rubik's cube
- GaggiX 2mo agoGrok did not render anything, they had to prompt it again.
- cuvinny 2mo agoThey gave grok 2nd try on that one. Now one shotting a webpage is a dumb metric but if that is what you are testing it did the worse.
- trollbridge 2mo agoGPT-5.5 isn't really a fair comparison to Fable or Opus. GPT-5.5-Pro would be a better comparison (and yes, I know how much more expensive it is). I really wish they'd thrown in something like GLM-5.2 into the comparison.
- sceptic123 2mo agoGPT doesn't render but does actually work, Grok does not fully work Two scrambles in a row and the thing is broken.
- dadoum 2mo agoI tried to one-shot the first test (the Rubik's Cube test) with LucidQuery's Swift model, to test it, as there are not much benchmarks about it and that they brag a lot about it, and I was pleasantly surprised to see it achieving a result similar to Grok 4.5 but in one shot (there is the same issue that if you scramble twice the solve button does not work anymore, but it got it in one shot). Though it crunched most of the free quota, 47111 tokens, so I couldn't make multiple attempts.
- singingtoday 2mo agoLove the idea, I think more complex games would show the gap in ability better. Do it again but this time get them to make a multiplayer online Jetmen REVIVAL game. Online play is key, because it's very complex. Jetmen is a good game for this since it has physics and customization that's complex enough but still simple.
- krauq 2mo agoToo nice to Grok, if there are really cost savings it should say how much each of the three demos cost so we can judge if it's worth the lower quality (probably not). The time to complete each would also be interesting.
- thorum 2mo agoInteresting that all four models converge on such similar designs, for such short prompts.
- HeavyStorm 2mo agoThey were trained pretty much on the same data.
- Kuyawa 2mo agoI'd like to see the comparisons with DeepSeek, Qwen, Mimo, Kimi and GLM
- Kuyawa 2mo agoI just did the tests, Mimo and GLM delivered working cubes but GLM was the only visually perfect with smooth movements and great effects. GLM is the clear winner: https://chat.z.ai/space/t19sx5kvw631-art https://chat.z.ai/space/t19sx5kvw631-art
- trollbridge 2mo agoGLM-5.2 just keeps blowing me away. I pretty much use it in the mode I used to use Opus for where I have it drive a lot of the reasoning with DeepSeek or other models for the smaller subtasks/subagents.
- Kuyawa 2mo agoTried the recent Tencent Hy3 and it produced a working cube, but plain visuals. GLM still wins by a landslide * I ran all agents in their web version with their default settings, I don't remember now if they were set to deep thinking or what but that's the result they produced by default.
- HeavyStorm 2mo ago[flagged]
- hyperhello 2mo agoIt’s still science if you say “this appears to be a specimen of X” even if you don’t do a genetic test. Things don’t automatically graduate to science either by repetition or by formal verification. What makes a rubics cube is obvious enough that you can pass or fail.
- sinuhe69 2mo agoIt said “3D-looking Rubrik cube”. Maybe your cube looks different but I’m pretty sure for everyone else, the GPT result doesn’t look like a 3D-looking Rubrik cube.
- looksjjhg 2mo agoShow us how it’s done then, talk is cheap
- remus 2mo ago> This feels like a kid trying to do science. The will is there, but lacks experience. It's funny, when I saw the title I was hoping the article would include some sort of blind ranking, where you could see the outputs (without knowing which model they came from) and score them on some criteria. Could have been a fun way to get a better ranking of the results.
- coldtea 2mo ago>Comparison are completely subjective Nothing wrong with that. In this case, the requirement is clear enough, and the result is similar enough to judge it subjectively. Even code-wise, if tests pass and the features are there in all cases, the rest of what matters (architecture, code quality, style, readability) is all subjective too.
- drcongo 2mo agoGPT somehow wins the particle sandbox thing too despite its heavy attractors not attracting anything.
- Zebfross 2mo agoIsn’t the number of turns most important? Some agents take repeated input, while others can mostly one-shot what I’m looking for.
- kelvinjps10 2mo agoChat got ones were slow on Firefox mobile
- nrightnour 2mo agoThis is disgustingly biased. The conclusion is that Grok holds its own?! There was zero evidence of that.
- deanalyzer 2mo agoYes, I wonder how the verdicts would hold under a blinded test. This analysis read like the authors going out of their way to be supportive of Grok.
- steve-atx-7600 2mo agoI have not used grok 4.5 yet, but the other pictures match my experience doing anything graphical with the other models that it cracks me up. gpt 5.5 has no design sense whatsoever. It cannot even make terminal output not look terrible. I've asked it to use colors and formatting in various ways and got goofy randomly colored output. opus 4.7 and later seemed to have an inuitive design sense by comparison - 2d or 3d. Fabel 5 is just rock solid. Yes, subjective. But it matches my repeated experiences with these models for what it is worth.
- trollbridge 2mo agoI get better results with Opus than Fable 5 on various oneshots (including our old friend of "generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle"). (Opus is also far and away better than pretty much any other SOTA or near-SOTA model.)
- RazorBucksICO 2mo ago“The honest headline:” Written by Claude. Ugh. If it’s worth publishing, it’s worth proofreading, folks.
- Yiin 2mo agoespecially when using /humanizer is one prompt away
- yashthakker 2mo ago[dead]
- dirteater_ 2mo ago> The receipts: speed and cost I don't get why cost per reply is at all relevant here? Why do so few who attempt comparisons actually compare dollars per task.
- baxtr 2mo agoTokens per task might be the better choice
- Computer0 2mo agoWhy do I care how many tokens were used? 50,000 or 5,000,000 all I care about is the output quality, speed, and the cost.
- unanonymousanon 2mo agoCould you elaborate on why tokens over dollars as a metric?
- NewJazz 2mo agoI think these were all one shots, so it was 1 reply per task?
- brainless 2mo agoI get the point of this demo but if instructions are clear, tech stack related resources are available, then the models do not differ as much. I use different models all the time. And mostly lower cost ones. I do not know how people write software these days, but I have clean instructions, usually in Epics and they have Tasks. I have been using DeepSeek V4 Flash for much of my coding in https://github.com/brainless/akar https://github.com/brainless/akar for example. Planning is mostly done by Qwen latest (in opencode) or Sonnet. For my commercial, client work I use Claude but barely use Opus. Sonnet does most of the work. For a recent project, I went through a 35 page PRD in about 4 weeks, that includes client calls, changes, Ecpi/Task generation, a massive test suite, deployment.
- Madmallard 2mo agoCould probably do this with a much older model given that it's something that probably has thousands of github repositories for source code to do so.
- sgk284 2mo agoIf you like this kind of comparison, we have an arena of 52 apps one-shotted across 21 models here: https://arena.logic.inc/ https://arena.logic.inc/ I keep it pretty up to date (tomorrow Grok 4.5 and Sonnet 5 should be pushed).
- kristopolous 2mo agoI want this with smaller models as well like Gemma 4 or Qwen 3.6
- sgk284 2mo agoAwesome - will work on getting those in.
- bboozzoo 2mo agoIt'd be interesting to add Nemotron, which is quite popular on Spark alongside Qwen 3.6.
- permalac 2mo agoHaving 'local runable' to compare would be awesome. For example I have a 48G MacBook.
- indrora 2mo agoIt would be nice to see how "long" -- e.g. how many self-turns/tool calls/etc the prompt takes to resolve as well. I know that models like Gemma4-e4b will take longer self-turns but IBM's Granite models will take shorter self-turns in exchange for more tool calls.
- theturtletalks 2mo agoReally nice site! From your experience, what’s your go-to model for nice storefronts?
- coopykins 2mo agoImpressive, specially the amount of models used for the comparison.
- owenbrown 2mo agoI’m spending a significant portion of my day waiting for agents to execute. What’s more interesting to me than time-to-first token or latency is the time it takes for the agent to execute, from starts to finish, excluding when it’s waiting on a human.
- madaxe_again 2mo agoSubagents can help enormously… On which note I recently convinced codex to use the ChatGPT web client to run subagents. Means I only pay for the slavemaster, and all the slaves I can eat for $20 a month. Actually works surprisingly well - I currently have it crunching through a large dataset, which would have taken weeks on a single thread - started last night, nearly done this morning. $20.
- wwind123 2mo agoHalf year ago I tried to use Codex, Claude and Gemini build the same scripts to automate various things on my machine. Claude was the clear winner back then, making the most reasonable assumptions, presenting results in the easiest-to-read format, writing runnable script with minimum dependency. Half year later I think Codex and Claude models have both advanced a lot, but Gemini is still lackluster. Gemini could catch problems when reviewing Claude/Codex's design plans and code, but it's hard to make Gemini make complex plans or implement complex code by itself.
- JoyfulPanda 2mo agoGrok failed the Rubik's cube. I pressed Scramble twice and then solve and it didn't solve the cube. Opus did.
- JoyfulPanda 2mo agoI'm not sure, but it looks like none of them solve the cube. They just memorize what happened to the cube and do the reverse.
- sehw 2mo ago>look guys, we burned money! Upvote pls.
- millsau 2mo agoClaude seems to have the best text generation out of all of them.
- reenorap 2mo agoHow can grok create a coding LLM at the same level as OpenAI or Anthropic when they don’t have the same amount of AI talent as the other companies by an order of magnitude? Is it really that easy to train a coding model like that?
- inemesitaffia 2mo agoCursor
- kev009 2mo agoThose two companies spend all their effort patting themselves on the back about "peer reviewed studies" and posturing immeasurables like security theatre and "trust and safety". It's really not hard to believe that Grok or Chinese models can show there is no moat.
- throwa356262 2mo ago1. Elon throw money on Gemini folks to get them switch ship 2. Dario is an idiot for not realising his dataset, workflow and model are going to be copied when he uses spacex datacenters 3. Grok has a special fan base that promote it everywhere they go
- luciana1u 2mo ago[flagged]
- dminik 2mo agoThe fact that the breakout previews included exactly zero gameplay is so weird to me. It shows that there was exactly zero extra effort put into anything here.
- sceptic123 2mo agoGrok doesn't even solve the cube if you scramble more than once, that is NOT the AI you wan't building your software, no matter how cheap.
- deterministic 2mo agoPlease ask AI to simplify x 3 before posting AI generated articles.