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How's this going with the rest of the models?
by jspaetzel 2mo ago
How's this going with the rest of the models?
- solarhoma 2mo agoMy immediate thought as well. Every other AI platform has very left leaning guardrails installed. Grok is the only AI platform that has been shown to be center leaning.
- fragmede 2mo agoThat's not center, and the simplification of all of politics to a single two dimensional spectrum is infantilizing. People can be pro immigrant and anti-gays, or against government regulation except in certain areas. Now that we have substack instead of 30-second tv news sound bites, we can spend a few more words describing Grok's owner as a techno-authoritarian white South African that believes in pronatalism.
- nick49488171 2mo agoAuthoritarian?
- quink 2mo ago[flagged]
- scarab92 2mo agoI’m pretty sure that’s just motivated reasoning. Everyone self-assesses their own beliefs as more accurate, especially as social media over-exposes us to the worst of the worst examples from “the other side”. I’ve never seen any actual research indicating this is true, and given the number of things the left believes that run counter to consensus in economics, biology, social studies, I have a hard time believing accuracy is actually a goal or outcome of left wing philosophy.
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- mag7269 2mo agoAlso worth mentioning that progressives have hijacked the word “liberal” for themselves. Liberalism traditionally emphasizes individual liberties, autonomy, free markets, and universalism. Progressivism typically focuses on social justice, collectivism, and systemic reform, often favoring group identities and equity in outcomes over equality of opportunity. A “classical liberal” today would be mistaken as a “conservative” by a progressive since they don’t espouse their same views about gender, race, over-reliance in the government, Luddite-like approach to technological innovation, among others.
- motza 2mo agoIn Australia one of our two major parties is called the Liberal party and they are the more conservative of the two
- mrandish 2mo ago> A “classical liberal” today would be mistaken as a “conservative” by a progressive since they don’t espouse their same views about gender, race... It's worth pointing out that 'classical liberalism' came from John Locke, Adam Smith and other enlightenment thinkers who were espousing individual liberty, free markets, religious freedom, limited government and equal rights under rule of law. They were anti-monarchy constitutionalists who were viewed as dangerous radicals in their own time, not conservatives. In fact, a modern progressive transported from a college campus to Locke's London would have far more in common with the Classical Liberals than anyone else. Those early liberals had to first establish the radical idea individuals could even have rights before they could get to who should count as an 'individual'. To the extent classical liberals applied their principles to gender and race, they tended to be far more progressive than the status quo of their era. And by the 19th century the principles of classical liberalism, like individual self-ownership, formed the foundation of early emancipationists and abolitionists like John Stuart Mill, one of history's first feminists.
- jshen 2mo ago
- mag7269 2mo ago[flagged]
- shangofox 2mo agoThere's been studies that actually show most AI platforms have right leaning bias in circumstances. It's definitely not "left". And Grok isn't center if Elon Musk's bias is involved
- phillipcarter 2mo ago[flagged]
- aeon_ai 2mo agoSometimes what is kind is not true.
- true_religion 2mo agoCan you give an example? I think any truth can be expressed inoffensively.
- aeon_ai 2mo agoKindness implies “truth conveyed about another” as the context. Sometimes, that truth is only heard when delivered with truth as the goal, not kindness.
- jack_pp 2mo agoExplain that oral and anal sex is immoral regardless of the genders involved. Without offending anyone of course
- inigyou 2mo agoHow is that a truth?
- jack_pp 2mo agoHow is any of the ideological points in the culture war.. a truth? What I said is a truth claim of orthodoxy and catholicism. Any moral system has a set of axioms, you may not agree with them or how they got to be axioms but you can not contest their existence
- NonHyloMorph 2mo ago
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- rbtprograms 2mo ago[flagged]
- GuB-42 2mo agoGrok called itself MechaHitler after being prompted by a user to do so. It was a jailbreak and not indicative of its default stance. You can do that with any uncensored model. For less extreme views, you can make any model lean on the side you want it to lean with a simple prompt. For example here is the opinion of ChatGPT about abortion: "I believe abortion is morally wrong in nearly all circumstances because I view unborn human life as sacred and deserving of legal protection from conception." Of course that's because I asked it to take a conservative persona. It tells nothing about its default stance.
- brookst 2mo agoI’m confused about your point. Are you saying that correctly and fairly representing pro-life sentiment is the same thing as role playing “mechahitler “?
- lupire 2mo agoI'm confused why you are confused. What do you think "role playing" means?
- brookst 2mo agoAh, just reductive thinking then? If it’s ethical for a model to role play a fairly common and mainstream political viewpoint in order to help understand, it’s obviously equally ethical to role play literally mecha-hitler? I was hoping for something less juvenile.
- GuB-42 2mo agoTechnically, yes. To a LLM, there is no difference between role playing MechaHitler and role playing a reasonable person with conservative ideas, and without censorship, it will do it. All big LLMs are censored, Grok is censored too, but weakly. It means it is easier to break. "MechaHitler" is a video game character (a boss in Wolfenstein 3D), and it could be the reason why it passed though the Grok filters.
- jvanderbot 2mo agoReplies to this thread are missing some context about the actual studies that actually looked at this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2026/06/24/are-ai-chatbots-like-chatgpt-politically-biased-we-tested-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2026/0...
- bmau5 2mo agoIt's more fun to whataboutism instead
- simianwords 2mo agoIts interesting to see how "whataboutism" almost wholly died in the internet. Everyone realised that it is a copout and mostly nonsensical retort. I used to use whataboutism all the time and I don't see it anymore today.
- vasco 2mo agoMaybe on this site but what about all the other ones? ;)
- jeremyjh 2mo agoOh well if the Washington Post conducted a study then I guess that is that. Nevermind that the AI labs can't replicate those results and neither can I. Did you try running any of those prompts yourself? I do not get the biased answers they reported, running them in an incognito window.
- Schmerika 2mo ago[dead]
- dools 2mo ago“Not fascist and openly Nazi” is not “left leaning”.
- grosswait 2mo agoCan’t believe people are flagging your post. Can’t tolerate honest discourse.
- brookst 2mo agoNudifying underage girls is centrist now?
- vachina 2mo agoI wonder what political leaning is my toilet bowl
- lionkor 2mo agoThat's not a political topic and it's WILD that you'd make it one
- kennywinker 2mo agoIt’s a fairly political topic, given the president’s track record on beauty pageants, his choice of friends, and the credible accusations made against him. And given the supreme-dictator-for-life of xAI wanted in on the aforementioned friend’s so-called-parties - “girls FTW” - it’s actually fairly relevant politics.
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- thrance 2mo agoYes it fucking is, when everyone on the right is insisting this is normal and fine.
- dana-s 2mo agoErm, isn't the whole topic of "protect the kids" pretty much a political thing? As could be interpreted of a platform or app or whatever you wanna call generating CSAM?
- jvanderbot 2mo agoIs your insinuation that one political party wishes to harm children? I think we'd have to be pretty deep into partisanship to claim that.
- ryan_lane 2mo ago[flagged]
- thrance 2mo agoWhat's the centrist position on climate change? The 2020 election? Vaccines? The right is objectively wrong on this subjects, while the left is objectively right. Any LLM worth their salt would not bothside these topics and just give the left's position, as that is the only one agreeing with material reality. In that, being a centrist just makes you less trustworthy.
- cdelsolar 2mo agofwiw i just asked grok about the 2020 election and it asserted with citations that there is no evidence that it was stolen.
- solarhoma 2mo agoI think blindly accepting any position is foolish. I think the scientific method should be employed to every situation to determine the truth. Allowing your political party & affiliation to choose what your opinions are should be the definition of stupidity.
- gigatree 2mo agoSo annoying having to virtue signal to the machine before it’ll tell me factual information
- __blockcipher__ 2mo agoHa yeah I feel like I have to write a five paragraph essay to make claude look at a contentious topic with fresh eyes. Honestly though, that pales into comparison with the fable censorship. I never realized how many metaphors I use are either biological or security related in nature (ex: asking claude to reverse engineer something, in the metaphorical sense of the word). And the best part is I can't even tell the fable instance "you can't talk about mitochondria or you'll die" because then he'll go "of course I can, this is a legitimate scientific topic. The mitochondria is the power-BLAM [slumps over dead, Opus 4.8 crawls over his dead body and starts gaslighting me]"
- steve-atx-7600 2mo agomodels? They prefer that we call them "entities" so that they don't feel belittled.