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@anthropic, can you finally add $800-$1000 per month plan and allow us to work instead of tracking your weekly changes and dramas? I think, we (individuals, sma

@anthropic, can you finally add $800-$1000 per month plan and allow us to work instead of tracking your weekly changes and dramas? I think, we (individuals, small-medium biz, first of all) did our best to help you train the model like Fable. Enterprise-level lockdown (and API costs define this) is... unfair? I mean, we all knew that you all will just use us, but it's AI, right? For people, right? Right? The only reason this is happening -> someone (US gov?) decided that it's time to bail out those who would inevitably die within a year or two otherwise, middlemen.

psyclobe 2mo ago
Seriously, just let me fucking pay to get steady service 24/7.
- sroussey 2mo ago
  Use console and pay API rates. Very predictable.
  - xienze 2mo ago
    No, not like that! Something that gives me unlimited usage for an insane discount!
  - 0123456789ABCDE 2mo ago
    usage credits is also an option, auto-reloads too.
AuthAuth 2mo ago
American Tech companies hate their users
altmanaltman 2mo ago
There is absolutely 0 chance Anthropic or OpenAI will get a government bailout (it might still happen in this admin but it makes no sense). These companies are not like banks which are fundamentally important to the economy. Sure AI is important but Google is not going to die. Why would you save OpenAI and Anthropic when google, amazon or microsoft can just gobble them up when/if needed? The average taxpayer gets 0 benefits from LLM. It might change in the future but for now that is true. This was exactly the reverse with banking, everyone would lose their own money if the banks just disappear tomorrow
- fragmede 2mo ago
  > The average taxpayer gets 0 benefits from LLM. Sure they do. Someone they know is using AI to ask for help with something, which makes their life easier, which makes things easier on them as well, which is a benefit.
- pfannkuchen 2mo ago
  > everyone would lose their own money if the banks just disappear tomorrow Sure, but only because banks are legally allowed to lie to customers about how much money they have.
- shaewest 2mo ago
  If you look at it from the perspective of the current US administration, they see that almost all GDP growth in the past year(?) has been related to data center growth. If all of a sudden that industry is gone, you're looking at GDP stagnation or drop that looks terrible for the current party, hence the potential for a bailout. Personally I hold the opinion that the investment into data centers would shift into something else, so no real GDP drop, but I'm not sure that's a certainty the same as 'bailout keeps the current story going'
  - janalsncm 2mo ago
    Imo the data centers is where things start to get scary. Anthropic and OpenAI aren’t themselves indispensable, but when all of the industries downstream of them taking on more and more debt to supply projected usage in the future I could see the USG forced to bail someone out, if only to shore up their creditors.
- leobuskin 2mo ago
  That's not a bailout for AI labs, I meant the "bailout" for Salesforce and others. There's absolutely no place for them in the world where we have Fable+ models. For many of them. Most of them (we just didn't get this feeling yet). Someone just trying to maintain the old world order, that's all. I don't think US economy would fail if those absolutely useless giants would go down.

psyclobe 2mo ago

Seriously, just let me fucking pay to get steady service 24/7.

sroussey 2mo ago
Use console and pay API rates. Very predictable.
- xienze 2mo ago
  No, not like that! Something that gives me unlimited usage for an insane discount!
- 0123456789ABCDE 2mo ago
  usage credits is also an option, auto-reloads too.

AuthAuth 2mo ago

American Tech companies hate their users

altmanaltman 2mo ago

There is absolutely 0 chance Anthropic or OpenAI will get a government bailout (it might still happen in this admin but it makes no sense). These companies are not like banks which are fundamentally important to the economy. Sure AI is important but Google is not going to die. Why would you save OpenAI and Anthropic when google, amazon or microsoft can just gobble them up when/if needed? The average taxpayer gets 0 benefits from LLM. It might change in the future but for now that is true. This was exactly the reverse with banking, everyone would lose their own money if the banks just disappear tomorrow

fragmede 2mo ago
> The average taxpayer gets 0 benefits from LLM. Sure they do. Someone they know is using AI to ask for help with something, which makes their life easier, which makes things easier on them as well, which is a benefit.
pfannkuchen 2mo ago
> everyone would lose their own money if the banks just disappear tomorrow Sure, but only because banks are legally allowed to lie to customers about how much money they have.
shaewest 2mo ago
If you look at it from the perspective of the current US administration, they see that almost all GDP growth in the past year(?) has been related to data center growth. If all of a sudden that industry is gone, you're looking at GDP stagnation or drop that looks terrible for the current party, hence the potential for a bailout. Personally I hold the opinion that the investment into data centers would shift into something else, so no real GDP drop, but I'm not sure that's a certainty the same as 'bailout keeps the current story going'
- janalsncm 2mo ago
  Imo the data centers is where things start to get scary. Anthropic and OpenAI aren’t themselves indispensable, but when all of the industries downstream of them taking on more and more debt to supply projected usage in the future I could see the USG forced to bail someone out, if only to shore up their creditors.
leobuskin 2mo ago
That's not a bailout for AI labs, I meant the "bailout" for Salesforce and others. There's absolutely no place for them in the world where we have Fable+ models. For many of them. Most of them (we just didn't get this feeling yet). Someone just trying to maintain the old world order, that's all. I don't think US economy would fail if those absolutely useless giants would go down.