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Rust is in TIOBE Index top 10

22 points by zdkaster 2mo ago

panny 2mo ago
Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?
- zdkaster 2mo ago
  What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.
  - duskwuff 2mo ago
    > I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
    - zdkaster 2mo ago
      Oh, thanks for the info. That's suprisingly a weird index to measure usage popularity...
    - gf000 2mo ago
      https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-26/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-2... This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.
  - dlcarrier 2mo ago
    Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.
    - duskwuff 2mo ago
      It's sort of a programming language. But not a particularly general-purpose one.
    - baranul 2mo ago
      It makes sense, in terms of general usage and popularity, but not in terms of most requested for the job market or having the most legacy code. Different rankings measure different things, so it depends on what and how people want to assess languages and usage.
  - netbsdusers 2mo ago
    It wouldn't surprise me if I learned that the vast majority of programming globally is in languages like Visual Basic or PHP that are utterly unfashionable on a board like this, but still make the world go round.
    - zdkaster 2mo ago
      It's a bit hard to comprehend that's reality to be honest. But I could see that it could be the case from the fact that old industrial factories or old corporates would still run with what works for them.
- DangitBobby 2mo ago
  The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.
- baranul 2mo ago
  Exactly! Often, it's that TIOBE doesn't count, if their favorite language is not doing well or goes down in the rankings. Then, if their language moves up in the rankings, it is time to shout from the rooftops to tell everyone to go look how well they're doing on TIOBE.
dlcarrier 2mo ago
RIP Object Pascal, the Python of your day, except much faster and much more readable.
- Rochus 2mo ago
  > RIP Object Pascal Why? It's still there and gets even regular maintenance.
  - dlcarrier 2mo ago
    Rust entered the top ten, at the expense of Pascal. I'd still recommend Pascal over Python, but it'll probably never be in the top ten again.
    - Rochus 2mo ago
      I wouldn't worry about that. Tiobe simply measures how many search queries are made for some terms supposed to represent a programming language, and even that process is still inaccurate (e.g. because of ambiguity with other uses of the same terms). The result says nothing about how widely the language in question is actually used. There is no reason to assume a correlation between effective prevalence and the number of searches. Experienced developers are unlikely to enter the terms used by Tiobe into a search engine, and since most people are now working with LLMs, this measurement method is obsolete even more.
- baranul 2mo ago
  The funny or strange thing about people claiming Object Pascal is dead, is they have been doing so for at least the last 20 years. It got so crazy and reckless, that people were claiming the actor, Pedro Pascal, was dead too. Yet, despite all this hoping for Pascal (the language) to die, Embarcadero keeps making money selling Delphi (dialect of Object Pascal). Not to mention, their being all kinds of various other dialects in use: Free Pascal, PascalABC.NET, Oxygene, Blaise (brand new compiler)[1], etc... [1]: https://github.com/graemeg/blaise https://github.com/graemeg/blaise
  - 2mo ago

22 points by zdkaster 2mo ago

panny 2mo ago

Now remind me of every time you said Tiobe didn't matter when we pointed out Rust wasn't in the top 10 :) I'm more interested in that massive collapse in python over the past year. Is it due to everyone running for the doors just before the AI bubble pops? Or did AI make rewriting everything Python into Rust a reality perhaps?

zdkaster 2mo ago
What's more interesting is Visual Basic is ranked as #7 and I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol.
- duskwuff 2mo ago
  > I couldn't get my head around why this is the case, lol. Because TIOBE's methodology is terrible, and always has been. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programminglanguages_defin... It's literally based on the (estimated) number of search engine hits for e.g. "Python programming" on Google and a handful of site-specific search engines (e.g. Amazon, eBay, Walmart, microsoft.com, etc), with some manually applied tweaks for languages with easily confusable names. Many of the fluctuations in rankings - like the big dip in the ranking for C between 2015 and 2018 - probably have more to do with changes in search engine algorithms than any real change in popularity.
  - zdkaster 2mo ago
    Oh, thanks for the info. That's suprisingly a weird index to measure usage popularity...
  - gf000 2mo ago
    https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-26/ https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2026/04/14/language-rankings-1-2... This is usually considered a better ranking. This has Rust at #20.
- dlcarrier 2mo ago
  Scratch at #12 is even stranger. It's not even a programming language.
  - duskwuff 2mo ago
    It's sort of a programming language. But not a particularly general-purpose one.
  - baranul 2mo ago
    It makes sense, in terms of general usage and popularity, but not in terms of most requested for the job market or having the most legacy code. Different rankings measure different things, so it depends on what and how people want to assess languages and usage.
- netbsdusers 2mo ago
  It wouldn't surprise me if I learned that the vast majority of programming globally is in languages like Visual Basic or PHP that are utterly unfashionable on a board like this, but still make the world go round.
  - zdkaster 2mo ago
    It's a bit hard to comprehend that's reality to be honest. But I could see that it could be the case from the fact that old industrial factories or old corporates would still run with what works for them.
DangitBobby 2mo ago
The chart shows python really surged in popularity in the 2020s. I suppose the change is surge is from AI/ML really heating up for a few years, and is now starting to cool off.
baranul 2mo ago
Exactly! Often, it's that TIOBE doesn't count, if their favorite language is not doing well or goes down in the rankings. Then, if their language moves up in the rankings, it is time to shout from the rooftops to tell everyone to go look how well they're doing on TIOBE.

dlcarrier 2mo ago

RIP Object Pascal, the Python of your day, except much faster and much more readable.

Rochus 2mo ago
> RIP Object Pascal Why? It's still there and gets even regular maintenance.
- dlcarrier 2mo ago
  Rust entered the top ten, at the expense of Pascal. I'd still recommend Pascal over Python, but it'll probably never be in the top ten again.
  - Rochus 2mo ago
    I wouldn't worry about that. Tiobe simply measures how many search queries are made for some terms supposed to represent a programming language, and even that process is still inaccurate (e.g. because of ambiguity with other uses of the same terms). The result says nothing about how widely the language in question is actually used. There is no reason to assume a correlation between effective prevalence and the number of searches. Experienced developers are unlikely to enter the terms used by Tiobe into a search engine, and since most people are now working with LLMs, this measurement method is obsolete even more.
baranul 2mo ago
The funny or strange thing about people claiming Object Pascal is dead, is they have been doing so for at least the last 20 years. It got so crazy and reckless, that people were claiming the actor, Pedro Pascal, was dead too. Yet, despite all this hoping for Pascal (the language) to die, Embarcadero keeps making money selling Delphi (dialect of Object Pascal). Not to mention, their being all kinds of various other dialects in use: Free Pascal, PascalABC.NET, Oxygene, Blaise (brand new compiler)[1], etc... [1]: https://github.com/graemeg/blaise https://github.com/graemeg/blaise
- 2mo ago