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We need tech news sources which exclude AI
Its now clear that we need to preserve tech press for non AI related things. Techmeme for example is now completely overrun with AI stories.
HN is getting closer to that every day.
If AI kickback deals, phony new model ratings, high RAM prices and your surprise at how you think you coded something with AI and it was AMAZING! even though it doesnt work is all there is count me out.
We need a filter on existing tech news sites or an alternative press.
- aaron695 3mo ago[dead]
- Curiositry 3mo agoThere’s Elijah Potter’s HN sans AI: https://elijahpotter.dev/hnsansai https://elijahpotter.dev/hnsansai
- kgwxd 3mo agoI fully expected that to be a blank page :) Not too far off.
- thesmtsolver2 3mo agoHow is the filtering done? Manually or with AI?
- linzhangrun 3mo agoIt would be interesting if this page was also created with vibe coding.
- 286660920 3mo agoThis topic is just naturally controversial — AI and the internet are so intertwined with it that there’s really no way to avoid the conversation.
- Madmallard 3mo agoI agree. The worst part about it is like 80% of the conversation is motivated speech. That's worse than the technology itself.
- AndrewKemendo 3mo agoWhat do you mean by “motivated speech?” Do you mean it’s puffery or scammy?
- throwaway81523 3mo agoI haven't heard that exact expression before, but basically agenda-driven speech, for commercial or ideological persuasion or whatever. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motivated_reasoning
- AndrewKemendo 3mo agoI’ll wait for OP to respond in affirmative but I’m not necessarily agreeing that that’s what they meant. By that standard then literally everything that is opinion based (ideological) is motivated reasoning
- throwaway81523 3mo agoYou can factually tell someone your opinion about something, without trying to persuade them of it.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo agoWith cryptocurrencies/NFTs/etc. everybody talked them up because they are invested in Bitcoin or whatnot. With LLMs, everybody talks them up because they are invested in Nvidia or have other exposure (which is almost everybody considering with all the datacenter building if this industry tanks US economy is also), or because they are invested in having jobs.
- postalcoder 3mo agohttps://hcker.news/?ai=exclude https://hcker.news/?ai=exclude You can also exclude github repos posted here that contain ai attribution. Filters are updated daily to catch exceptions.
- justShane 3mo agoNow that's what's up.
- coffeecoders 3mo agoI think the problem is concentration. AI now absorbs almost all of the oxygen from every category. A story about new chips becomes an AI story. Cloud pricing becomes an AI story. Even personal projects get pulled into the same orbit.
- ares623 3mo agowe need entirely new communities where "contributors" all share a common understanding that they will not publish AI for other contributors to consume. They can all individually create and consume AI outside of this community of course.
- newsomix9xl 3mo agoThe model of crowd sourcing semi anonymous sources makes this, I think, nearly impossible.
- ares623 3mo agoThat's why I say "contributors" rather than "members". It would be like an open-source project with contributor guidelines. But instead of source code people are sharing text and media.
- marcus_holmes 3mo agoI've been coding professionally for over 30 years. LLMs have changed the profession more in the last 12 months than anything else has in all that 30 years. I would totally understand your position if it was, say, crypto that you wanted to exclude. The whole of crypto finance is an edifice of scam built on some interesting but not very useful maths, and there's nothing to redeem it. There are no interesting tech discussions to be had there. And sure, there are plenty of AI scam artists out there (most seem to have switched from Crypto experts to AI experts in the last couple of years). But the underlying tech that is being used in AI is not only interesting, but also useful. I'm seeing people who have never coded before produce some cool apps. OK, they're not production-grade, but that's still new people doing new and interesting stuff with this tech. My own workflow is profoundly different from what it was a year ago. I've seen old problems that were really incredibly difficult to fix collapse completely using this tech. It's a useful tool if you're developing software. I suspect there are other areas of human endeavour where it will be useful too. I very much doubt it will replace all human work, or become sentient. I think we need to separate out the AI business, which is its usual mess of scam, exaggeration, and buffoonery, and the actual AI tech, which is producing some really useful tools.
- esafak 3mo agoNot only that but it impinges on your life; it would be irresponsible to ignore it. There goes your job while you weren't paying attention... This is the mother of all tech revolutions. There will never ever be anything as big as AI, especially after embodiment.
- retired 3mo agoAs a consultant I am looking forward to being hired by companies to get rid of all the vibe code and to replace it with beautiful maintainable artisanal code.
- AussieWog93 3mo agoI'm waiting for Fable to come back online so that it can do the refactor while I sleep, for peanuts.
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- ares623 3mo agoA key insight. This closes the gap.
- marcus_holmes 3mo agoHere's the thing - it's not AI that's the problem, it's that it was trained on LinkedIn.
- Curiositry 3mo agoYou’re absolutely right!
- dualvariable 3mo agoThat is the load-bearing detail.
- lemontheme 3mo agoExactly — and it carries the point that others would try to gate
- Ozzie-D 3mo ago[flagged]
- jedberg 3mo agoLook at /r/programming on reddit. They have explicit no AI policies.
- newsomix9xl 3mo agoReddit is a training ground for AI. They are part of the "AI problem " no? And AI needs to avoid feeding itself synthetic data. Maybe this whole Anti AI frenzy is just an attempt to feed AI human content.
- jedberg 3mo agoAny public website will be a training ground for AI.
- newsomix9xl 3mo agoA public website that openly tolerates AI content is part of the AI GI/GO problem.
- newsomix9xl 3mo agoI disagree. The problem, if I concede there is a problem , is not new or unique to AI but problematic to the internet -fake news, fake reviews, AstroTurfing, etc. This is not an AI problem. The internet is a bad place with lots of bad actors and no one says anything about malicious state actors who pollute the internet (they might be called xenophobic !) AI merely is another tool for bad actors to be better bad actors, but that doesn't mean AI is the problem.
- botfriendsarent 3mo agoYou are right about being cynical about media. But you didnt grow up reading BYTE magazine.
- newsomix9xl 3mo agoYou are right. I grew up reading Mad magazine.
- browningstreet 3mo agoHonestly. I want the AI news. I wish HN would add filtering features. I know they want us to all see the same homepage, but it’s time to let us have our tables. Pro-AI-era should be able to have a cohort thread, and anti-AI should be able to avoid it, or have a ring fence for their anti-AI discussions. We end up with some good threads on HN in both directions, but there’s a weight to early voices that can bend a posts’ comments pro or anti AI which isn’t necessarily reflective of the quality of said post.
- postalcoder 3mo agoIf you want HN with only AI stories, you can invert the AI filter on hcker.news. https://hcker.news/?ai=include https://hcker.news/?ai=include
- browningstreet 3mo agoIt's not just the stories, it's the behavior of the community that creates the threads. EDIT: Took a look, it doesn't really solve the issue I raised above, but it is an interesting link. Thanks.
- kazinator 3mo agoWhether you are pro or anti, even the best articles that are about running AI, rather than AI internals, are content-free fluff. Any articles about running AI are mostly talk about something that is not explained, not predictable, and constantly changing. A good litmus test for post is: is something in it actionable. Can I retain these several pieces of information, walk away, and do something, and then obtain results like the article said? Most AI articles are not like this, or even if they are, they have a short expiration date.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3mo ago> I wish HN would add filtering features Ask AI to filter them for you.
- breznev 3mo ago[flagged]
- teleforce 3mo ago>We need a filter on existing tech news sites or an alternative press. Great, now we need AI to exclude AI related news /s
- sublinear 3mo agoAs much as I hate to say it, you're ultimately burying your head in the sand. It's not that AI is so great, but that we really are in a different era defined by creative constipation and politics. What will unclog the jam is making something and sharing it. I don't think anyone cares if you use AI to create some of it as long as it's not slop or too derivative. Things will recover, but it will never be the same.
- deepsun 3mo agoJust let OpenClaw to read the tech press for you! /s
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- archagon 3mo agoAbsolutely agreed, but you will not find much support for this here. The site is completely VC/AI-pilled and anyone who doesn't like it has left by now. 95% of the frontpage is completely uninteresting to me at this point. AI press releases, basic posts on AI advances, and AI-generated slop. A sad fate for a once-great forum.
- lukayork 3mo ago[dead]