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I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my th
by cdurth 3mo ago
I tried the Fugu models with some real world tales in C# and unity using mcp and open code. I exhausted the $20 plan 5 hour window in one prompt to review my theme system and plan some color changes. So I upgraded to the $100 to see the implementation and result. Well the result was worse than Opus, incredibly slow, and I ended up exhausting the new 5 hour window and have used 35% of the weekly now and it hardly created something opus was able to do at a fraction of the time and cost.
Do what you wish with this info, but it seems to be a complete waste of $$.
- OsrsNeedsf2P 3mo agoWe provide a similar service for Godot instead of Unity, and 20$ plan being exhausted in one prompt on a top model like Opus sounds about right. That's the life when you pay API prices and can't afford 10x subsidies.
- rtpg 3mo agoIs this true even for more targeted prompts that aren't about looking over an entire codebase or w/e? I just stick to my sub pricing and find good success on targeted requests, but I wonder if I would run up against things even then if not for subsidies.
- delusional 3mo agoOne prompt might be a bit much, but experience shows that $20 is roughly 3 or 4 context windows on GTP-5.5
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- cdurth 3mo agoNot sure if you meant Fable/Mythos instead of Opus, but I can comfortable work several hours a day using Opus on Max-Ultracode on the CC 10x.
- Zababa 3mo agoYes because you don't pay API costs with the Claude Code plans.
- cdurth 3mo agoSure, I understand the subsidization. Their limits are practically unusable and the marketing of "Focused working sessions for regular coding, review, research, and analysis throughout the week." is pretty disingenuous then.
- Zababa 3mo agoI don't think a different way of paying should be considered a subsidy. From what I understand AI companies are making money on those plans. The limits feels really usable to me, but maybe because I've learned to work within their limitations. It's like, it's always possible to consume more tokens for maybe more output.
- zzleeper 3mo agoI tested Fable through Cursor; asked for ideas on how to make a data website I have less "Claude-like" (IYKYK what are the usual tells), and it spun out the most useless, Claude-like CSS styling ever, wasting $40 in 10 minutes. The website was created through Opus, so you could also say the results were worse than Opus. (This is just to say that I had the same experience using the US models, so perhaps those Asian models are Mythos-like lol)
- nonethewiser 3mo agoIf you actually give it an example of the style it can copy it well. even just screenshots of other websites or UIs. It just sucks at producing it itself.
- addandsubtract 3mo agoWhy would the model know what "Claude-like" is?
- valleyer 3mo agoWell, in part because the phenomenon has been discussed on Web forums that (a) have at this point made their way back into training data and (b) are accessible in Web searches that the model can invoke. And in part because the model can "know" what its initial instinct is and "decide" to go against it.
- jazzyjackson 3mo agoStill it’s like asking an image generator to produce an image without an elephant. Just tell it what you want.
- ninjalanternshk 3mo agoIt’s like saying “make this bad animal drawing look better, and like someone else made it” without telling them what animal was supposed to be.
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- Bombthecat 3mo agoSame experience with web search / research, it was bad compared to opus. Missed half the stuff the other half was outdated/ didn't verify.
- hmokiguess 3mo agoI experienced the same exact thing, however, I will say that I had misconfigured it on `pi` at first. I was using its chat endpoint not the responses with tool calling and everything, and I haven't tried it again since, learned that recently and I am planning on giving it another shot.
- zobzu 3mo agothata what i usually expect. its all as good as the top 3 u til you try em and then theyre.. just ok at best
- pranaym 3mo agoThis is useful info. For the couple of days that Fable was live - it was clearly a step above Opus 4.8 and I was able to get 8-10 prompts in using my $20 plan.
- LarsDu88 3mo agoWhich unity mcp do you use? I've been playing around with the official one, but was wondering what other folks use. Ran into a package conflict issue with the popular coplay one
- cdurth 3mo agoI have been using the coplay MCP for Unity.
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- ezoe 3mo agoBecause Fugu is not an independent model. They just use multiple existing SaaS models from OpenAI, Anthropic etc in background, gather response and generate results based on these response. They claims that combining the results of multiple AI models and generate final result by using their in-house proprietary model improve the quality than using the single backend model. It cause all sorts of doubts like: is their in-house model really exists? Is their in-house model really capable? Personally, even if their claim is correct, such feature can be easily implemented in client side like Claude Code etc, using the equally capable model from background model to generate the final result. I smell something fishy on their service.
- GTP 3mo agoI saw something similar on openRouter.