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Spoiler alert : Singapore won the race years ago. Cameras everywhere, and mostly : the singaporian civilian population is educated to surveil peers so that they

by GL26 3mo ago

Spoiler alert : Singapore won the race years ago. Cameras everywhere, and mostly : the singaporian civilian population is educated to surveil peers so that they don't commit incivilities. Here is an article about it : https://gcctvms.com/smart-city-surveillance-singapore-camera-system-deterrent/ https://gcctvms.com/smart-city-surveillance-singapore-camera...

Cider9986 3mo ago
I need a list of countries not to visit. So far I have UK, China, Singapore. But maybe I should accept less rights when traveling.
- highfrequency 3mo ago
  Why UK?
  - archontes 3mo ago
    Too many cameras and not enough food.
    - blubber 3mo ago
      I suppose you meant "good enough"?
- ranger_danger 3mo ago
  All the ones that force you to give up passwords would be on many peoples' list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law?lang=en https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law?lang=en Ireland... I'm disappointed.
  - Cider9986 3mo ago
    Such stupid laws. What's next, you want me to say I did the crime if a judge orders it! It's such a shame that there's no solution for deniability on SSDs because of wear leveling. There's been no court cases about plausible deniability with VeraCrypt, so we don't have any real insight into how it would play out.
persavon 3mo ago
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- tuesdaynight 3mo ago
  Why are you not living there anymore? I understand the trade-offs, but I hate the feeling of constant surveillance. And knowing that I'm a minority in this subject, I'm aware that I'm probably going to be at the loser side in this battle. However, I'm still sad thinking that I could be a criminal in the future by being naked at my own house.
- ranger_danger 3mo ago
  This assumes your government, or whoever is monitoring and handling said surveillance info, is doing so with good intentions and adequate security/privacy. For some, that level of trust is unobtainable.
- GenericDev 3mo ago
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- cedws 3mo ago
  There’s a difference between Singaporean, Chinese surveillance, and US surveillance. In the former countries you get surveilled, and in exchange you get to live in a safe, harmonious, and relatively prosperous society where you can leave your belongings out of sight knowing they’ll be there when you come back. In the US you get no such benefits. The surveillance serves only the government. I remember watching a video of LKY explaining how Singapore installed 'pee detectors' in elevators to stop people urinating. The point being that a little bit of surveillance to bootstrap civic sense can be a positive thing. Now, look at Singapore today, and it's almost unthinkable an average citizen would urinate in an elevator. As someone from the UK I envy the safety of these countries. We have overbearing surveillance too but nothing to show for it. Phone gets snatched? Thief will never be caught. Leave your laptop out of sight for a moment? It will be stolen. If surveillance isn't serving the people, who is it serving?
  - wseqyrku 3mo ago

by GL26 3mo ago

Cider9986 3mo ago

I need a list of countries not to visit. So far I have UK, China, Singapore. But maybe I should accept less rights when traveling.

highfrequency 3mo ago
Why UK?
- archontes 3mo ago
  Too many cameras and not enough food.
  - blubber 3mo ago
    I suppose you meant "good enough"?
ranger_danger 3mo ago
All the ones that force you to give up passwords would be on many peoples' list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law?lang=en https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law?lang=en Ireland... I'm disappointed.
- Cider9986 3mo ago
  Such stupid laws. What's next, you want me to say I did the crime if a judge orders it! It's such a shame that there's no solution for deniability on SSDs because of wear leveling. There's been no court cases about plausible deniability with VeraCrypt, so we don't have any real insight into how it would play out.

persavon 3mo ago

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tuesdaynight 3mo ago
Why are you not living there anymore? I understand the trade-offs, but I hate the feeling of constant surveillance. And knowing that I'm a minority in this subject, I'm aware that I'm probably going to be at the loser side in this battle. However, I'm still sad thinking that I could be a criminal in the future by being naked at my own house.
ranger_danger 3mo ago
This assumes your government, or whoever is monitoring and handling said surveillance info, is doing so with good intentions and adequate security/privacy. For some, that level of trust is unobtainable.
GenericDev 3mo ago
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cedws 3mo ago
There’s a difference between Singaporean, Chinese surveillance, and US surveillance. In the former countries you get surveilled, and in exchange you get to live in a safe, harmonious, and relatively prosperous society where you can leave your belongings out of sight knowing they’ll be there when you come back. In the US you get no such benefits. The surveillance serves only the government. I remember watching a video of LKY explaining how Singapore installed 'pee detectors' in elevators to stop people urinating. The point being that a little bit of surveillance to bootstrap civic sense can be a positive thing. Now, look at Singapore today, and it's almost unthinkable an average citizen would urinate in an elevator. As someone from the UK I envy the safety of these countries. We have overbearing surveillance too but nothing to show for it. Phone gets snatched? Thief will never be caught. Leave your laptop out of sight for a moment? It will be stolen. If surveillance isn't serving the people, who is it serving?
- wseqyrku 3mo ago