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What's more comfortable about SUV or a truck than a minivan or combi? How is a tall hood increasing your family comfort? It only increases your ego.

by ajuc 3mo ago

tinfoilhatter 3mo ago
Plenty of minivans also have tall hoods. I assume by combi you're talking about a station wagon, and in that case you're trading cargo capacity and the ability to tow boats / trailers / campers / etc... Ego has nothing to do with it - utility does. You can fit more people and things in a larger vehicle, this isn't rocket science.
- bryanlarsen 3mo ago
  Which ones? Caravan's, Sienna's, etc all have significantly lower hood heights than a typical 3 row SUV. They all have sloping hoods. A sloping hood increases visibility and reduces air resistance. Why does a Kenworth have a sloping hood but F-150's and SUV's don't?
- mikepurvis 3mo ago
  I don't think the cargo capacity argument really holds water. I drive a Volvo V60 wagon which has trunk space of 23.2 cubic feet. When it was in the shop, I had a loaner XC60, and I could noticeably feel that the trunk space was about the same, despite the vehicle sitting considerably taller. Sure enough, the XC60 crossover has a trunk space of 22.4 cubic feet. It's the same trunk, just higher off the ground, which to me makes it less useful to me: more lifting to get stuff in, harder to rummage through items (eg camping pantry), much more difficult to access my roof box.
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gravatron 3mo ago
I spent significant time recently in both a new F150 and a Toyota Sienna, and it isn't even close in the comfort between them. F150 wins by a mile by the sheer amount of space you have in that thing for both passengers and cargo. Not to mention the ability to tow.
- baq 3mo ago
  How often people tow anything?
  - gravatron 3mo ago
    Is this a serious question? A lot of people tow stuff all the time for work, home improvement, or recreation. Not everyone is a city dweller living in a small apartment whose only options to spend their free time is picking which restaurant to eat dinner at.
    - ajuc 3mo ago
      People in Europe tow stuff with 120 HP sedans or combis all the time. Driving a vehicle that you can't park, that's unsafe for pedestrians and burns 50% more every day just so you can tow something marginally easier on these 2 occassions a year when you need to tow something larger than a 500kg trailer makes 0 sense. And if we're talking businesses, building crews etc. - this is what they actually need: https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/flatbed-truck-3-5t-Volkswagen-Crafter-2-0-TDI---1778054583520017819_big--26050611001267368100.jpg https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/flatbed-truck-3-5t-Volkswage... Or just a regular van more likely, cause rain is a thing. VW crafter with dual cab uses 57% of its length for the flatbed, largest F150 - 39%. Notice how the engine fits into this tiny vedge-shaped hood. https://i.imgur.com/KopGeTi.png https://i.imgur.com/KopGeTi.png Same idea as American trucks, more cargo space, higher usable load, can be loaded from all sides, completely flat bed, no wheel cutouts, fits 6 people inside, burns less fuel. All because there's no ridiculously huge hood, wheels and engine. Let's be honest here. American pickup trucks are not about the usability, they are about ego.
    - vel0city 3mo ago
      Yeah. All those accountants and software developers and doctors and insurance salespeople and marketing people and what not gotta tow for work all the time. Very few jobs require people to tow with their personal daily driver all the time. > Not everyone is a city dweller And yet a ton of these city dwellers do drive around in these giant lifted trucks. It's also incredible to me you can't actually imagine any hobbies that don't require driving a giant pickup truck around. It's just so overly ingrained into your identity. As if it requires a giant pickup truck to go fishing or go to a sports field or go camping or whatever.

What's more comfortable about SUV or a truck than a minivan or combi? How is a tall hood increasing your family comfort? It only increases your ego.

by ajuc 3mo ago

What's more comfortable about SUV or a truck than a minivan or combi? How is a tall hood increasing your family comfort? It only increases your ego.

tinfoilhatter 3mo ago

Plenty of minivans also have tall hoods. I assume by combi you're talking about a station wagon, and in that case you're trading cargo capacity and the ability to tow boats / trailers / campers / etc... Ego has nothing to do with it - utility does. You can fit more people and things in a larger vehicle, this isn't rocket science.

bryanlarsen 3mo ago
Which ones? Caravan's, Sienna's, etc all have significantly lower hood heights than a typical 3 row SUV. They all have sloping hoods. A sloping hood increases visibility and reduces air resistance. Why does a Kenworth have a sloping hood but F-150's and SUV's don't?
mikepurvis 3mo ago
I don't think the cargo capacity argument really holds water. I drive a Volvo V60 wagon which has trunk space of 23.2 cubic feet. When it was in the shop, I had a loaner XC60, and I could noticeably feel that the trunk space was about the same, despite the vehicle sitting considerably taller. Sure enough, the XC60 crossover has a trunk space of 22.4 cubic feet. It's the same trunk, just higher off the ground, which to me makes it less useful to me: more lifting to get stuff in, harder to rummage through items (eg camping pantry), much more difficult to access my roof box.
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gravatron 3mo ago

I spent significant time recently in both a new F150 and a Toyota Sienna, and it isn't even close in the comfort between them. F150 wins by a mile by the sheer amount of space you have in that thing for both passengers and cargo. Not to mention the ability to tow.

baq 3mo ago
How often people tow anything?
- gravatron 3mo ago
  Is this a serious question? A lot of people tow stuff all the time for work, home improvement, or recreation. Not everyone is a city dweller living in a small apartment whose only options to spend their free time is picking which restaurant to eat dinner at.
  - ajuc 3mo ago
    People in Europe tow stuff with 120 HP sedans or combis all the time. Driving a vehicle that you can't park, that's unsafe for pedestrians and burns 50% more every day just so you can tow something marginally easier on these 2 occassions a year when you need to tow something larger than a 500kg trailer makes 0 sense. And if we're talking businesses, building crews etc. - this is what they actually need: https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/flatbed-truck-3-5t-Volkswagen-Crafter-2-0-TDI---1778054583520017819_big--26050611001267368100.jpg https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/flatbed-truck-3-5t-Volkswage... Or just a regular van more likely, cause rain is a thing. VW crafter with dual cab uses 57% of its length for the flatbed, largest F150 - 39%. Notice how the engine fits into this tiny vedge-shaped hood. https://i.imgur.com/KopGeTi.png https://i.imgur.com/KopGeTi.png Same idea as American trucks, more cargo space, higher usable load, can be loaded from all sides, completely flat bed, no wheel cutouts, fits 6 people inside, burns less fuel. All because there's no ridiculously huge hood, wheels and engine. Let's be honest here. American pickup trucks are not about the usability, they are about ego.
  - vel0city 3mo ago
    Yeah. All those accountants and software developers and doctors and insurance salespeople and marketing people and what not gotta tow for work all the time. Very few jobs require people to tow with their personal daily driver all the time. > Not everyone is a city dweller And yet a ton of these city dwellers do drive around in these giant lifted trucks. It's also incredible to me you can't actually imagine any hobbies that don't require driving a giant pickup truck around. It's just so overly ingrained into your identity. As if it requires a giant pickup truck to go fishing or go to a sports field or go camping or whatever.