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I imagine Valve Software wanted to release the Steam Machine for $549-$699. The great RAM hoarding of 2025-2026 killed this product on arrival sadly.
by radium3d 3mo ago
I imagine Valve Software wanted to release the Steam Machine for $549-$699. The great RAM hoarding of 2025-2026 killed this product on arrival sadly.
- globalnode 3mo agoI'd like to buy one, but its a bit pricey for those specs. $1600 AUD?
- xinayder 3mo agoAccording to LTT the original price was in the $800 range, but thanks to Sam Altman it increased to what we saw today.
- yaro330 3mo agoI think that was already in the RAM crisis, so that was priced in. I think it would be a lot cheaper w/o the whole price boom.
- tokai 3mo agoNot it was definitely before.
- Insanity 3mo agoLTT was only speculating, they did not know the actual price as far as I remember. (They had a video doing some educated guesses, or maybe a WAN show, can’t exactly recall). No doubt the price was lower before this hardware shortage, but the $800 is not a reliable number afaik.
- sambaumann 3mo agoIn their video today, they said they asked Valve the original pricing, and they said (paraphrasing) "we can't tell you exactly - but the increase we recently had on the steam deck is about how much the pricing for machine increased" - which is how they came up with the $800 number
- ErneX 3mo agoYup, and another source: https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
- Insanity 3mo agoOhh, I thought it was in their earlier videos. I did not see they released one today lol, my bad!
- kuschku 3mo agoDepends on if the Valve employee meant percentage increase (+50%) or dollar increase (+$200). That's set the steam machine at either $650 or $800, depending on which interpretation you're using.
- arijun 3mo agoWhy would it be the same percentage increase? RAM is only one component of the whole machine. "We were going to sell our airplane for $10 million, but one screw doubled in price so now we're selling it for $20 million."
- kuschku 3mo agoBecause it's not just one screw, at the moment RAM, flash and GPUs are experiencing massive price increases. And in both machines a similar percentage of their price is caused by these components.
- Forgeties79 3mo ago>GPUs AMD GPU's are all still basically MSRP. You can get a 9070 for $600 off amazon right now.
- brailsafe 3mo agoBecause of the proportion of the two critical component increases as a part of the whole. It's not like a screw, more like the propeller or something. I just bought ram at retail price, and in my currency it went from $100 to $600CAD for 32Gb. I can't even justify a nvme drive at this point, the prices are comical.
- BoredPositron 3mo agoDon't use LTT as a source for anything. They are mainly an entertainment channel with a giant track record of fuck ups anything data related.
- ErneX 3mo agoIt’s not just LTT https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
- Fizz43 3mo agoEven taking into account all their fuckups majority of their content is accurate and well sourced. I dont know why people do this thing where they point to a few instances and then extrapolate that out.
- BoredPositron 3mo agoThey literally paused uploading videos because they had an insane amount of wrong data in their videos. It got better for a few months when they decided to slow down video releases but now they are back at it. I dont know why people do this thing where they ignore factual data because they like a creator.
- Fizz43 3mo agoYou mean when they just opened their new lab and a massive controversy happened?
- BoredPositron 3mo agoThe lab is 3 years old and it collapsed one time...
- Fizz43 3mo agoso only 99.9% of their output is accurate? I guess that to inaccurate for a video game review to be trustworthy.
- blahblaher 3mo agoAnd Amodei, and Satya, and Pichai.., don't forget about them.
- moffkalast 3mo agoWell none of them actually went out and pretended to buy the entire world's supply of silicon. So no, Altman gets most of the blame personally in this case and the silicon fabs for taking the fake order like absolute tictacs. Demand would be high otherwise too, but that's what got everyone panic buying and resulted in this mess.
- sumedh 3mo agoElon bought and Amodei and Sunder are using it now. So Altman was right, his bet paid off.
- MBCook 3mo agoPlus GPU prices. They absolutely got screwed by their launch timing, unfortunately. And they’re not big enough to negotiate better terms though that probably isn’t really an option right now anyway. I’m not sure I’d want this at $550, but maybe. At $1050 without controller it’s a solid no. I’m sure some people will want it. I have no interest in maintaining a PC so if I wanted to play PC games this is probably how I would do it. But the price just absolutely kills it for me.
- sarchertech 3mo agoThe original price target was $800, so you probably were never going to buy this thing.
- MBCook 3mo agoOh was it? I remember some rumors but not that one. Yeah I probably wasn’t going to then.
- raincole 3mo agoI don't know what you mean by 'killed.' It'd be sold out faster than hot cakes.
- Forgeties79 3mo agoNo way. $1100+ to play games with medium/high settings at 1080p? You can probably buy a prebuilt tower that does better than that at that price.
- iAMkenough 3mo ago> 4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR
- newdee 3mo agoYes, you could also buy a gaming console instead of a PC. These are not the same things. This will sell out.
- Forgeties79 3mo agoA steam machine is a PC in a small form factor. I’m not talking about consoles, I said PC.
- newdee 3mo agoSteam machine is a console: - homogenous and standardised hardware - vendor backed compatibility certification programme - standardised OS with atomic, image based updates - plug in, login and play your library potentially without touching a mouse or keyboard - HDMI CEC out of box - controller integration with instant sleep/wake (as seen on steam deck) - operates quietly Steam machine is a PC (not like a console): - not priced as a loss leader - runs any desktop OS - it’s a PC You can do all of this out of box, it’s turnkey, it’s primarily a console experience but a PC if you need it. My point was that comparing this to a prebuilt or BYO PC is like comparing a console to a PC. Different value prop.
- mixologic 3mo ago"killed" is a bit of a stretch. High prices on all gear is here to stay. This is the new normal. Unless that simply means that nobody buys consoles/pc's. But you cant compare the price point with what it used to cost and imagine that its overpriced now and that people will seek alternatives. There aren't any cheaper alternatives.
- zamadatix 3mo agoIt doesn't have to be everybody or nobody, it can be as simple as "a lot of people buy lower end gaming equipment instead".
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- eudamoniac 3mo agoThere is no guarantee that these prices are here to stay...
- rootnod3 3mo agoYou really think the manufacturers or retailers will lower the prices now that people are used to the new normal? How often do you see that happen?
- choilive 3mo agoYes. Absolutely. They will move more units and make more profit overall, and if they don't do it a competitor will.
- sarchertech 3mo agoLook at TV prices over the last 20 years.
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- copx 3mo agoI bought my own version of a "Steam Machine" i.e. a mini-PC powered by an AMD APU for just €676 right before the RAM prices exploded. It is an AOOSTAR GT37 which actually outclasses the €1,039 Steam Machine in most areas except graphics. One cannot blame Valve here though, the hyperinflation of RAM prices is too blame here. AOOSTAR GT37 (€676 a few months ago [now vastly more expensive if you can still get one at all]) vs Steam Machine (€1039 right now) CPU: 12x Zen 5 vs. 6 Zen4 Graphics: 16x RDNA 3.5 vs. 28 RDNA 3 RAM: 32 GB LPDDR5X vs. 16 GB DDR5 + 8 GB GDDR6 HDD: 1 TB vs. 512 GB (both NVMe-SSD) I expect the Steam Machine to run graphically demanding FPS games quite a bit better due to the extra RDNA cores and faster VRAM. However it might actually be the inferior gaming machine for CPU/main RAM intense strategy or simulation games (e.g. Stellaris).
- mhitza 3mo ago> However it might actually be the inferior gaming machine for CPU/main RAM intense strategy or simulation games (e.g. Stellaris). On Stellaris: I remember having a pretty good experience (not stellar) playing on a 2012 AMD FX-8350 desktop cpu. The six year old midrange laptop cpu Ryzen 4650u smokes that desktop cpu. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/1780vs3766/AMD-FX-8350-Eight-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-PRO-4650U https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/1780vs3766/AMD-FX-8350-... Just to draw out the fact that with the Steam machine you will have a better Stellaris experience than what I had 7-8 years ago. (Because I assume even better performance than this laptop class cpu) My thoughts go more on the question if 15GB ram 8GB VRAM is enough for the next 7 years. And if Steam verified will all be split up, and become more confusing, between the 3 different devices they have.
- jjmarr 3mo agoFrom playing Stellaris, it was all bottlenecked on a single threaded pop simulation which is why it got so laggy in the endgame. Most "CPU intensive" games I've noticed are like that.
- noxvilleza 3mo agoThey show a 1080p/high benchmark of Stellaris on Gamers Nexus and it took 63.9s on Linux OpenGL and 67.4s on DX11 (https://youtu.be/66QzlDewigE?t=2021 https://youtu.be/66QzlDewigE?t=2021). I would guess the AMD R9 HX 370 in your GT37 will smash that.
- Unicironic 3mo agoI still think it's a great concept and a really accessible way to get a great computer. But I agree, I thought this was going to land in the $500 to $700 range. That said, I also bought a mini PC for $250, and that same PC is now going for $600. So I don't really think steam can be blamed for that
- caconym_ 3mo ago> killed this product on arrival sadly. Rather odd to talk about an as yet unreleased product failing in the past tense.
- powersurge360 3mo agoYou may be unfamiliar with the colloquialism. This one is exclusively for unreleased products. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_on_arrival#:~:text=In%20another%20context%2C%20%22dead%20on%20arrival%22%20may%20be%20used%20to%20describe%20an%20idea%2C%20concept%2C%20or%20product%20that%20is%20considered%20to%20be%20fundamentally%20flawed%2C%20and%20therefore%20viewed%20as%20an%20utter%20failure%20from%20the%20start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_on_arrival#:~:text=In%20a...
- caconym_ 3mo ago> This one is exclusively for unreleased products. What? This is so obviously incorrect that I'm not even sure how to respond to it.
- powersurge360 3mo agoI’m sure you can figure it out if you try. I maybe was overexpressive with “exclusive”, that was my mistake. Wrapping thoughts in words is lossy and generally making an effort to be understood implies the listener making an effort to understand, yes? If you were to anticipate a failure for a soon to launch product, it is entirely appropriate to say “dead on arrival”. A similar metaphor might be calling the product “stillborn”.
- caconym_ 3mo ago> If you were to anticipate a failure for a soon to launch product, it is entirely appropriate to say “dead on arrival”. A similar metaphor might be calling the product “stillborn”. Okay, but the commenter I replied to said neither of those things. They didn't say "it'll be DOA", or even "it's DOA", but rather "killed this product on arrival". Despite my previous knowledge of the "dead on arrival" idiom, I found this particular wording strange due to its use of past tense, so I wrote a comment expressing that. If you disagree, that's fine, but you've chosen an extraordinarily unproductive way to express that disagreement.
- trashface 3mo agoOver $1000 for a machine with only half a terabyte of storage, especially for gamers, is just brutal.
- B-Con 3mo agoI'm simply impressed they're releasing at all. This has to be literally the worst 6 month time window in the last 20+ years to launch a new computing device at scale and have to build the vendor contracts and inventory from zero.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 3mo agoWhy dead on arrival though? If you want to buy the same kind of pc, price is the same. You can buy a PS5, of course, but that's a different walled garden. If you are in the market for a 3k pc, sure do it, but if you are in the market for a 1k pc, why not a steam machine?