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Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and
by Jerry2 4mo ago
Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? US grants are the biggest and most generous in the world. I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that. Other option is China but as a foreigner, you will never get a grant there unless you work for someone else.
- gmerc 4mo agothe US used to spend. Now borligarchs decide.
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 4mo agoI think his main point was that the art of continually licking the right asses to keep funding going is not science.
- philwelch 4mo agoLicking asses to get grants has been the full time job of tenured faculty for decades. Peer review just means they lick each other’s asses.
- throw0101c 4mo ago> Emigrate where? And why do you assume that the country you're gonna emigrate to will have the funds necessay to fund the research? If the choice is between $0 in the US and >$0 someplace else, you emigrate to >$0 if you want to continue your research.
- Joker_vD 4mo agoWell, for most "someplace else", the choice is =$0 too.
- tvink 4mo agoYou don't think the rest of the world is doing funded research?
- arjie 4mo agoInterestingly, if the US stopped spending you’d need the top 17 remaining countries to double their spending to absorb the American science industry. Doubling is a tall order and seventeen is a large number. Most likely fewer scientists will find employment in government funded academia if this came to be.
- 8note 4mo agocertainly true, but if another currency is also the reserve currency, that country/group will be spending all that money
- SubiculumCode 4mo agoOr paid half as well
- tdb7893 4mo agoI know scientists who want to move back home but can't because where they are from doesn't have funding for the research they do. Even with the uncertain federal funding it's still more viable than many places around the world.
- closewith 4mo agoI wonder where you suggest researchers go that is both granting funding and not attaching similar or more stringent strings to the money?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4mo agoAny country that doesn't openly say that it will bar funding to grant applications that include any word from a given list of words. Which, of the countries on this planet, is quite a few.
- closewith 4mo agoCan you name one?
- PaulDavisThe1st 4mo agoNo country in Europe does this, for example.
- closewith 4mo ago[dead]
- bhokbah 4mo ago1/10th? US: $848B (2024) EU: $508B (2024) --- UK: $102B (2023) Switzerland: $22B (2023) Norway: $8.2B (2024) OECD "Gross domestic spending on R&D"
- gammarator 4mo ago"R&D" is not the same as "grants supporting fundamental science."
- skywhopper 4mo agoDoes the US spend that much anymore? How much are you willing to compromise the integrity of your research to get your slice of what’s left?
- OtherShrezzing 4mo ago> I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that Do you mean that the EU spends 1/10th that, rather than Europe? Because France, Germany and the UK all spend €100-150bn each in grants depending on how you set your definition, and that’s atop the EU’s grant money. Just eyeballing the figures across different countries, it looks like the USG distributes approximately the same amount in grants per capita as the EU & UK. Certainly not a 90% diff.
- consp 4mo agoOn a gdp basis, which heavily favours the US, the US is not even the top dog. It's just above Belgium and below South Korea.
- IncreasePosts 4mo agoAbsolute values would favor the US, not a percent of gdp.
- ruszki 4mo agoConcentration does definitely matter. Cities vs countryside for example. In the case, per capita definitely matters.
- parineum 4mo agoYou're comparing the sum of those European countries to the US. Scientists have two easy avenues if they are currently in the US, the US or their home country. Immigration to work in a foreign nation is not always easy and takes time.
- IAmBroom 4mo agoLikewise, immigration to work in the US is "is not always easy and takes time." There's no difference; if you disallow immigration to other countries at all "because it's not easy", then there's no point in discussing where scientists won't go - you believe they won't ever move, no matter what.
- coldtea 4mo ago>I think the USG spends over $900 Billion every year. Europe spends about 1/10th of that Way off, it's way closer, even if we're just talking EU. EU (the body) alone is about 200 billion/year. EU member states are like 1-1.5 trillion/year.
- buildfocus 4mo agoEurope is the obvious answer. As others have posted, your numbers here are way off. And on the flip side, there's now some major programs actively encouraging this with special grants, support, relocation bonuses: e.g. ATRAE in Spain, EURAXESS, "Choose Europe For Science", Max Planck Transatlantic Programme.
- tchalla 4mo ago[dead]
- biophysboy 4mo agoThat number is for the United States, not the United States government
- scrollaway 4mo agoEurope. We fund science, research and we have accelerated programs for researchers affected by these kinds of things. If you're interested, email me (see profile). I have been helping Americans emigrate to Europe (for free) for several years.
- croes 4mo ago> USG spends over $900 Billion every year If you spend $900 Billions on BS you will lose to other countries that only spend 1/100th of that. Quantity over quality doesn’t work in science because reality doesn’t care who paid how much.
- testfrequency 4mo agoFunny that your take away from protecting science was “where are you going, we have all the money so just dance with the devil and pray your research doesn’t conflict or debunk any political views”.