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Feels about right. I've launched an internal demo of Claude Code and Deepseek on the same day and we burned through our monthly allowance for Claude in just ov

Feels about right. I've launched an internal demo of Claude Code and Deepseek on the same day and we burned through our monthly allowance for Claude in just over a week, with more than a half of that budget being spent in one day. With DS people are unable to go through that same amount of money in a month, not even close. With that Claude feels like an expensive toy, while DS is a shovel, purely because developers do not feel like they are eating into a precious resource while using it. Also it does not feel like there is much of a difference in capability between Claude and DS-pro. DS-pro and flash do feel like sonnet/opus and haiku, but flash is still very-very capable.

kridsdale1 4mo ago
Considered Gemini?
- operatingthetan 4mo ago
  Gemini got a big reduction in usage limits this week. There was backlash and they added 3x usage for Antigravity a day later but I haven't really tried it out to get a feel for it yet.
- saulpw 4mo ago
  Google has burnt all of its goodwill in dev communities so no, I don't think Gemini is worth consideration.
- seabrookmx 4mo ago
  Google rug pulled Code Assist and Gemini CLI. They're moving everything to Antigravity and we would need to reinstall all our tooling, reconfigure any automations, and the mechanism to subscribe via GCP is much clunkier. This was all supposed to be worked out prior to Cloud Next, but it wasn't. Ironically, they mentioned Claude in a few of their presentations at next. And that was our solution. We are a big GCP customer but our whole team is on Claude now and much happier.
onlyrealcuzzo 4mo ago
I rage canceled Claude today. After 2 weeks of Claude getting progressively worse and worse, today was the final straw. I don't care if they have a phone app. The model is COMPLETE garbage after you subscribe long enough and they think they've "got you". I can't code on my phone if the model literally moves in the wrong direction and does the opposite of what I tell it to. If I wanted to make my code worse, I'd just randomly commit garbage. I don't need a mobile app for that.
- mmusc 4mo ago
  All these tools have almost feature parity. The GitHub cli allows remote sessions and can run anthropic models anyway
- couchdb_ouchdb 4mo ago
  I've seen a lot of this sentiment over the previous six months from people on reddit. I have yet to experience this myself as a developer with over 20 years of experience.
  - Our_Benefactors 4mo ago
    It’s because it’s not true, there’s no evidence for it that passes the sniff test. No lab is “shipping a worse model once they’ve got you”. People have a bad few days and blame the model providers instead of stepping back to fix their workflow.
    - raincole 4mo ago
      When it comes to something with random results (unfortunately that's what LLMs are), people will think the odds are rigged against them. It's a good thing that hype-chasers are cancelling though. So we can use the services with a reasonable latency.
  - colechristensen 4mo ago
    What it does seem like is that they're tuning some knobs up and down or releasing new versions of models or system prompts that result in the model getting dumber and smarter in waves. Opus has been dumb this week. Claude was having a lot of capacity problems and downtime and then this week that has been much less obvious... and the model is dumber. It could also just be luck and my impressions are false... who knows.

kridsdale1 4mo ago

Considered Gemini?

operatingthetan 4mo ago
Gemini got a big reduction in usage limits this week. There was backlash and they added 3x usage for Antigravity a day later but I haven't really tried it out to get a feel for it yet.
saulpw 4mo ago
Google has burnt all of its goodwill in dev communities so no, I don't think Gemini is worth consideration.
seabrookmx 4mo ago
Google rug pulled Code Assist and Gemini CLI. They're moving everything to Antigravity and we would need to reinstall all our tooling, reconfigure any automations, and the mechanism to subscribe via GCP is much clunkier. This was all supposed to be worked out prior to Cloud Next, but it wasn't. Ironically, they mentioned Claude in a few of their presentations at next. And that was our solution. We are a big GCP customer but our whole team is on Claude now and much happier.

onlyrealcuzzo 4mo ago

I rage canceled Claude today. After 2 weeks of Claude getting progressively worse and worse, today was the final straw. I don't care if they have a phone app. The model is COMPLETE garbage after you subscribe long enough and they think they've "got you". I can't code on my phone if the model literally moves in the wrong direction and does the opposite of what I tell it to. If I wanted to make my code worse, I'd just randomly commit garbage. I don't need a mobile app for that.

mmusc 4mo ago
All these tools have almost feature parity. The GitHub cli allows remote sessions and can run anthropic models anyway
couchdb_ouchdb 4mo ago
I've seen a lot of this sentiment over the previous six months from people on reddit. I have yet to experience this myself as a developer with over 20 years of experience.
- Our_Benefactors 4mo ago
  It’s because it’s not true, there’s no evidence for it that passes the sniff test. No lab is “shipping a worse model once they’ve got you”. People have a bad few days and blame the model providers instead of stepping back to fix their workflow.
  - raincole 4mo ago
    When it comes to something with random results (unfortunately that's what LLMs are), people will think the odds are rigged against them. It's a good thing that hype-chasers are cancelling though. So we can use the services with a reasonable latency.
- colechristensen 4mo ago
  What it does seem like is that they're tuning some knobs up and down or releasing new versions of models or system prompts that result in the model getting dumber and smarter in waves. Opus has been dumb this week. Claude was having a lot of capacity problems and downtime and then this week that has been much less obvious... and the model is dumber. It could also just be luck and my impressions are false... who knows.