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Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right"
by alyxya 4mo ago
Once they have their own coding agent which they seem to be working towards, I may start predominantly using their models. They seem to be doing all the "right" things, open sourcing models, publishing research, and keeping prices low for everyone.
- lambda 4mo agoWhy do you need them to provide a coding agent? Just use their model with any off the shelf coding agent. I happen to prefer Pi, but use whatever works for you.
- hootz 4mo agoYeah, I'm using Pi with their models through an OpenCode Go subscription and it works pretty well. 10 bucks and V4-Flash is virtually infinite.
- alyxya 4mo agoI probably have an unfounded assumption that whatever coding agent they make will work really well with their models, better than external harnesses. I don't have a good sense for how all the model + harness combinations compare, nor any good way to compare them myself, but generally believe model companies train their models to work best with their own harness.
- wolttam 4mo agoI've noticed that models have gotten less finicky with this over time. Harnesses don't need to be complex to get good coding performance from models, they just need to implement some sane primitives for code exploration and editing.
- wyre 4mo agoIt is in the model's provider's interest for you to believe this because they get to lock you into their harness and inference. As models get better they will get better at using any harness, it comes down to how well the harness is actually engineered. I highly recommend you take an hour or two and check out Pi to either solidify or change your assumption. The harness is essentially just another developer tool and can be as opinionated, overly-engineered, minimal as anything else. I would think for DeepSeek, especially, they're efforts are much better spent researching how to make their LLM's better instead of working on engineering a harness that might get some marginal gain building it for their models. Edit: here is a really good twitter thread about this exact topic: https://xcancel.com/kunchenguid/status/2057700714626105412 https://xcancel.com/kunchenguid/status/2057700714626105412
- satvikpendem 4mo agoRL with the harness inputs and outputs of users is one of the primary improvers of model performance, a self perpetuating flywheel.
- apitman 4mo agoWhat's the best way to use it with Pi, OpenRouter?
- lambda 4mo agoI only use local models myself personally. But yeah, OpenRouter would probably be a good option.
- schaefer 4mo ago> What's the best way to use it with Pi, OpenRouter? I can't claim it's "the best"... But the Pi.dev and OpenRouter combo is what I'm doing at home, and I love it. Setup was easy, I can use /model to switch between any of the openrouter models and whatever I'm hosting locally via VLLM.
- brianwawok 4mo agoOpen router is a 5% tax? If you use it seriously may as well skip it
- schaefer 4mo agoI don't have an LLM-positive culture at work. I'm on a bit of an island. Or under a rock. Anyhow, I'm pulling myself up by my own bootstraps. For me a 5% overhead is fine... if it gives me better visibility of this rapidly moving field.
- lofaszvanitt 4mo agoQwen cli
- the-pellmeister 4mo agoOpenCode Go is hard to beat, $10/mo ($5 first month) for up to $60 worth of tokens if used regularly. And no, you don't need to use opencode, they allow any software to use it.
- tequila_shot 4mo agoYou no longer need "their coding agent". You can hook up claude code to use Deepseek. Works perfectly.
- ammar_x 4mo agoYou can use V4 Pro with Claude Code [1]. I tried it and it's impressive. [1]: https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations/claude_code https://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/agent_integrations...
- Scarbutt 4mo agoSurprised Anthropic hasn't done anything to restrict Claude Code from using other providers.
- wolttam 4mo agoThe value of Claude Code the harness isn't that great. There's a lot of other good harnesses out there.
- koolba 4mo agoGood or better? Curious which would be in either bucket.
- wolttam 4mo agoProbably a matter of taste. I prefer the harness I wrote, I don't want to go near Anthropic's bloated mess of a harness with a 10-meter pole.
- chandureddyvari 4mo agoWhat’s your favourite harness? Is there any benchmarks for harness like LLMs have for swe verified?
- wolttam 4mo agoYou can check my profile for which one I like most :) I do think there have been efforts to benchmark different harnesses. Personally I'm not going to choose one harness or another based on +/- a few percentage points in a benchmark. I'm going to use one the one that I find the most ergonomic, that isn't too bloated, etc. The models are the primary lever, not the harness.
- cultofmetatron 4mo agoopen code works with them today. I've been using it fulltime for 2 weeks so far.
- sunaookami 4mo agoUsing it with Pi and can only report good thing so far. I'm very impressed by how good it is (also it's way slower than Claude Sonnet and GPT-5.5 and often thinks "too much" before starting).
- zozbot234 4mo agoantirez's ds4-agent works quite fine. It runs on any Apple Silicon device with 96GB RAM or more.
- rjh29 4mo agoI wonder how many years it'll take for the API token cost to exceed the money spent on ram.
- zozbot234 4mo agoThe DS4 folks are unofficially testing ways to run the model with lower performance on lower-RAM machines. Similar efforts are going on with llama.cpp. The results are a bit of a challenge, prefill time tends to explode which is a limitation if you care about agentic workflows.
- vrganj 4mo agoAnything that runs with 64?
- zozbot234 4mo agoYou can just try it yourself, it will probably run with a heavy slowdown using SSD offload.
- LaurensBER 4mo agoIt works very well with OpenCode. My team keeps hitting the 5h limits on other subscriptions and it's pretty good to have Deepseek as a backup. I just put 50 bucks on there and it feels like it'll never run out. It's not good enough to fully replace any of the frontier models yet but it's definitely great to have as a backup!
- raincole 4mo agoAll the major coding agents already support DeepSeek.
- ReptileMan 4mo agoBoth pi, opencode and zed work amazing with deepseek.
- Guillaume86 4mo agoYou seem to have tried a few things, if you don't mind I have a few questions as someone currently on Claude Code but would prefer to not lock myself in a commercial ecosystem (and their pricing change regarding headless usage is annoying me): - how do/would you add the WebSearch tool to your harness? pay for a separate service or does deepseek offer something with their subscriptions? - do pi/opencode support pasting images in prompts? - how do you handle reading images? deepseek is not multi modal IIRC? do you pay for another model and route to it? Any of these missing would really annoy me in day to day use...
- ReptileMan 4mo agoI use them for pure coding, but I think they do curls when needing something from the host machine.
- Guillaume86 4mo agoYes I'm also using it for coding: I often make the agent use WebSearch in the research phase when deciding on a stack or a library or research best/modern practices to do achieve something. As for images I find it super useful to be able to paste snipped screenshots to show the agent when something is wrong in a UI/frontend or just something I can't copy paste easily.
- wyre 4mo agoBrave, Exa, and Tavily all offer a free tier for websearch, after that it comes out to like 1¢/search, very easy to ask pi to build a web search tool using any of these providers. They support image locations like a file or url, but not regular images (opencode desktop might though?) Both pi and opencode make it very easy to change models so you can easily call to 5.4-mini or whichever multi-modal LLM for reading images. I'm sure you could even create a skill to automate the process too, having the model use the cli to send the photo to the multi-modal and give it back a description.
- smoe 4mo agoEarlier this week I started testing Chinese models on my codebase. I haven’t really looked at interactive coding yet, but more at issue triage, bug auto-fixing, log analytics, etc. I used DeepSeek, Kimi, GLM, Qwen, and MiMO against GPT-5.5 high as reference, all running in Pi harness without anything installed. So far, Kimi and MiMO look the most promising to me. I haven’t tested them rigorously enough to make a strong statement, but my first impression is that, in practice, all those models may be less behind on typical daily tasks than people think. They are a bit “work hard, not smart". Getting to same-ish results more slowly and using more tokens, but at a fraction of the price
- c0rruptbytes 4mo agoI personally really like DS4 Flash - it's the largest I can run locally with decent speeds and I feel like it's good enough to maintain a codebase with less effort
- r0b05 4mo agoWhat hardware and quant do you run it with?
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- maxdo 4mo agomaybe i need to give it second chance, surprisingly Kimi 2.6 consistently fail even to generate valid json plan, where gemma 4 was doing really good, but slow.
- JSR_FDED 4mo agoAre you going through OpenRouter or direct? I’ve had nothing short of excellent results from Kimi.
- _under_scores_ 4mo agoI switched to predomentantly using mimo this week, mostly out of curiosity to see how dependant I was on frontier models. Honestly I cant really tell the difference. I would say I work on pretty average codebases with well know frameworks doing pretty typical things and initial impressions is that mimo, kimi and deepseek can probably handle what I need more or less the same as gpt5.5 or claude.
- potsandpans 4mo agoGive pi a try if you haven't already. Avoid vendor harness lock-in.
- minimaxir 4mo agoZed's Agent natively supports a DeepSeek API key now. (do not use it through OpenRouter if you want to save the most cost)
- jack_pp 4mo agoi have done some amazing things for 5 dollars, using opencode. give it a shot, it is incredibly cheap
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- vinhnx 4mo agoYou can use DeepSeek with my coding agent VT Code. Recently I've added DeepSeek V4 Pro and DeepSeek V4 Flash support with all providers, via: Official DeepSeek API, HuggingFace, Ollama Cloud, OpenRouter providers. > https://github.com/vinhnx/vtcode https://github.com/vinhnx/vtcode
- jdboyd 4mo agoI would prefer a coding agent to be somewhat independent of the model provider. Providers are trading off on quality, features, and price so frequently, and I don't want to keep changing my agent every time. I am looking forward to things slowing down and stabilizing. I'm not saying that should happen today, just I am looking forward to it.
- gaolei8888 4mo agoI think this will happen much sooner than we thought. Maybe it will happen in next 6 months
- linzhangrun 4mo agothere already is a open-sourced deepseek-tui coding agent. besides, you can always connect to opencode.
- teekert 4mo agoWhy not OpenCode? Genuine question, not an expert..
- azinman2 4mo agoAnd not letting you opt out of being their training data.
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