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1. Figma (in progress) 2. Most entry level jobs for current graduates in white collar fields. (See hiring rates for these positions) 3. Thousands of layoffs (

1. Figma (in progress) 2. Most entry level jobs for current graduates in white collar fields. (See hiring rates for these positions) 3. Thousands of layoffs (mostly attributed to AI use, while not 100%, the Anthropic's specific marketing push has a huge influence on this - unlike OAI and other labs) 4. All low-code products/startups 5. Web agencies who did small websites for local businesses While AI industry push is there for all of the above, Anthropic's specific marketing/PR is specifically directed towards forced adoption of AI and burning tokens, unlike from other labs.

yuhmahp 4mo ago
These seems to be healthy desctructions, if the market rejects them eventually for a better product
- jazzyjackson 4mo ago
  But it’s not a better product, it’s just cheaper.
  - rTX5CMRXIfFG 4mo ago
    That’s one person’s opinion, yours, and not the market’s.
    - jazzyjackson 4mo ago
      Fair, of course price is a factor in whether one product is better than another, and yes it’s my opinion that things becoming more affordable/junkier, is not always a net increase in quality of life.
csa 4mo ago
> 1. Figma (in progress) Hmmm… maybe. I think not. It really depends on your other claims below, with which I mostly disagree. 2. Most entry level jobs for current graduates in white collar fields. (See hiring rates for these positions) Maybe a small amount. Entry level white collar jobs have a low hiring rate for other reasons, imho. 3. Thousands of layoffs (mostly attributed to AI use, while not 100%, the Anthropic's specific marketing push has a huge influence on this - unlike OAI and other labs) What they say and what the actual reasons are not the same, imho. Correcting for over hiring is the actual main reason. 4. All low-code products/startups Low-code and no-code products in the hands of someone who doesn’t have a developer’s mind and/or experience usually ends up as a mess, and quickly becomes an unusable mess. I know of exactly two people who have done successfully used AI to make a low-code/no-code product. One is just highly motivated and wicked smart. The other did a minor in CS a long time ago (works in a different field). Everyone else shows me a pile of garbage and asks me how to fix it (answer: throw it away and start from scratch). 5. Web agencies who did small websites for local businesses As with 4 above, the only site a local business can make for themselves is one that functions as a business card… at best. Usually it looks more like a business card that a kindergartner made. They simply don’t understand what makes a website good for their business, therefore they cannot direct AI to make it for them. There’s a lot to criticize about AI, imho, but these aren’t on the list.
- ElProlactin 4mo ago
  I personally know several digital marketing people who were "tech savvy" but had no programming experience who have launched websites that would have cost them thousands of dollars to build. So much of what you'd previously pay a "real" freelance developer or web "agency" to build is no less "garbage" than what engineers would call the average vibe-coded web app. Claude in particular is today really surprisingly good at taking examples and a layperson's description of a website and building something that looks good and is functional. For obvious reasons, I think many developers/engineers don't want to accept this. They'd prefer to believe that there's something special about their craft that means something produced by AI isn't good enough. But the honest will acknowledge that spaghetti code and crap pre-dated AI.
  - slyzmud 4mo ago
    > They'd prefer to believe that there's something special about their craft that means something produced by AI isn't good enough. I know I can code and get better results than most people can with an LLM but I've came to realize that it doesn't matter and people just want to see results (even if they are kind of wrong). In other words, with the website example, I've realized that even if the agency can do something 10x better, most people will choose to "buy" the AI website just because it's free or super cheap, and that makes me sad
    - cryptonym 4mo ago
      Just like most industries, masses are looking for the cheapest solution with ok-ish perceived quality. If you are looking for purpose, find a niche or do something else. If you want a job, embrace the slop.
  - utopiah 4mo ago
    > digital marketing people who were "tech savvy" but had no programming experience who have launched websites that would have cost them thousands of dollars to build. Static Websites have been commoditizatized for decades now. We had : - one-click deploy Open-Source CMS - single page places like Geocities providing own domain - design templates where you just add your own logo, tagline, etc This is just yet another way to do that but the ability to have that result was there for "digital marketing people" since the early 2000s, if not earlier. In fact since the Internet existed there have been tools and resources for non developer to make Websites. PS: it's roughly the same for mobile Apps, namely having a basic App like a ToDo list had had scaffolding for years, including countless dedicated to non-developers.
dyauspitr 4mo ago
This is not destroying. This is success.
- jesterson 4mo ago
  > This is success For who?
  - dyauspitr 4mo ago
    The company looking to solve these problems
    - jesterson 4mo ago
      What problems?
      - dyauspitr 4mo ago
        Manually having to do these things while taking 10x longer to do them.
farzd 4mo ago
Please explain how Figma is in progress of being destroyed?
0xpgm 4mo ago
There's a lot of deception going on with job numbers. Everyone knows there was a hiring spree during the pandemic and companies have been gradually shedding off excess weight since then. AI of course is just another excuse to shed more numbers. I'd prefer it if people looking at hiring numbers would compare it with the pre-pandemic levels.
- OkWing99 4mo ago
  I think it's about time we need to move past this 'pandemic overhiring' story. Pandemic ended years ago.
  - 0xpgm 4mo ago
    Long tail effects of major events cannot be wished away
skystarmen 4mo ago
Figma just reported 45% revenue growth last quarter and is up ~20%...
- OkWing99 4mo ago
  Revenue growth from an existing customer base doesn't necessarily mean the company is healthy for the long term. Look at Salesforce and Figma revenue reporting vs their stock futures.

yuhmahp 4mo ago

These seems to be healthy desctructions, if the market rejects them eventually for a better product

jazzyjackson 4mo ago
But it’s not a better product, it’s just cheaper.
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 4mo ago
  That’s one person’s opinion, yours, and not the market’s.
  - jazzyjackson 4mo ago
    Fair, of course price is a factor in whether one product is better than another, and yes it’s my opinion that things becoming more affordable/junkier, is not always a net increase in quality of life.

csa 4mo ago

> 1. Figma (in progress) Hmmm… maybe. I think not. It really depends on your other claims below, with which I mostly disagree. 2. Most entry level jobs for current graduates in white collar fields. (See hiring rates for these positions) Maybe a small amount. Entry level white collar jobs have a low hiring rate for other reasons, imho. 3. Thousands of layoffs (mostly attributed to AI use, while not 100%, the Anthropic's specific marketing push has a huge influence on this - unlike OAI and other labs) What they say and what the actual reasons are not the same, imho. Correcting for over hiring is the actual main reason. 4. All low-code products/startups Low-code and no-code products in the hands of someone who doesn’t have a developer’s mind and/or experience usually ends up as a mess, and quickly becomes an unusable mess. I know of exactly two people who have done successfully used AI to make a low-code/no-code product. One is just highly motivated and wicked smart. The other did a minor in CS a long time ago (works in a different field). Everyone else shows me a pile of garbage and asks me how to fix it (answer: throw it away and start from scratch). 5. Web agencies who did small websites for local businesses As with 4 above, the only site a local business can make for themselves is one that functions as a business card… at best. Usually it looks more like a business card that a kindergartner made. They simply don’t understand what makes a website good for their business, therefore they cannot direct AI to make it for them. There’s a lot to criticize about AI, imho, but these aren’t on the list.

ElProlactin 4mo ago
I personally know several digital marketing people who were "tech savvy" but had no programming experience who have launched websites that would have cost them thousands of dollars to build. So much of what you'd previously pay a "real" freelance developer or web "agency" to build is no less "garbage" than what engineers would call the average vibe-coded web app. Claude in particular is today really surprisingly good at taking examples and a layperson's description of a website and building something that looks good and is functional. For obvious reasons, I think many developers/engineers don't want to accept this. They'd prefer to believe that there's something special about their craft that means something produced by AI isn't good enough. But the honest will acknowledge that spaghetti code and crap pre-dated AI.
- slyzmud 4mo ago
  > They'd prefer to believe that there's something special about their craft that means something produced by AI isn't good enough. I know I can code and get better results than most people can with an LLM but I've came to realize that it doesn't matter and people just want to see results (even if they are kind of wrong). In other words, with the website example, I've realized that even if the agency can do something 10x better, most people will choose to "buy" the AI website just because it's free or super cheap, and that makes me sad
  - cryptonym 4mo ago
    Just like most industries, masses are looking for the cheapest solution with ok-ish perceived quality. If you are looking for purpose, find a niche or do something else. If you want a job, embrace the slop.
- utopiah 4mo ago
  > digital marketing people who were "tech savvy" but had no programming experience who have launched websites that would have cost them thousands of dollars to build. Static Websites have been commoditizatized for decades now. We had : - one-click deploy Open-Source CMS - single page places like Geocities providing own domain - design templates where you just add your own logo, tagline, etc This is just yet another way to do that but the ability to have that result was there for "digital marketing people" since the early 2000s, if not earlier. In fact since the Internet existed there have been tools and resources for non developer to make Websites. PS: it's roughly the same for mobile Apps, namely having a basic App like a ToDo list had had scaffolding for years, including countless dedicated to non-developers.

dyauspitr 4mo ago

This is not destroying. This is success.

jesterson 4mo ago
> This is success For who?
- dyauspitr 4mo ago
  The company looking to solve these problems
  - jesterson 4mo ago
    What problems?
    - dyauspitr 4mo ago
      Manually having to do these things while taking 10x longer to do them.

farzd 4mo ago

Please explain how Figma is in progress of being destroyed?

0xpgm 4mo ago

There's a lot of deception going on with job numbers. Everyone knows there was a hiring spree during the pandemic and companies have been gradually shedding off excess weight since then. AI of course is just another excuse to shed more numbers. I'd prefer it if people looking at hiring numbers would compare it with the pre-pandemic levels.

OkWing99 4mo ago
I think it's about time we need to move past this 'pandemic overhiring' story. Pandemic ended years ago.
- 0xpgm 4mo ago
  Long tail effects of major events cannot be wished away

skystarmen 4mo ago

Figma just reported 45% revenue growth last quarter and is up ~20%...

OkWing99 4mo ago
Revenue growth from an existing customer base doesn't necessarily mean the company is healthy for the long term. Look at Salesforce and Figma revenue reporting vs their stock futures.