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" Secretly hoping they'll have to rehire." They will just expect a lower wage rate. There's some tacit collusion going on here.. they are using LLMs as a vehic

by j2jj 4mo ago

" Secretly hoping they'll have to rehire." They will just expect a lower wage rate. There's some tacit collusion going on here.. they are using LLMs as a vehicle to address the price that comes with the true shortage of software engineers. You seriously dont think they talk about this behind closed doors? of course they do.

headinthesky 4mo ago
Absolutely. My hope is selfish - the market is awful
- kevin_thibedeau 4mo ago
  Do the world a favor and take your institutional knowledge out the door to enjoy greener pastures.
  - headinthesky 4mo ago
    The pasture is pretty crowded and full of shit. But thanks, friend. I appreciate it
    - keeda 4mo ago
      I've been laid off from every job I've held (and once I was even re-hired a month later!) so I know the feeling. There seem to be others here who are also impacted and I fear the overall trend will only continue, so I wrote up my thoughts on how to future-proof your job search. I do think the GP comment about institutional knowledge could be a key part of it. Hope this helps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067459
- bloppe 4mo ago
  I promise you there are a ton of companies desperate to hire talent right now. It's hard on both sides of the market. Lots of noise, but there is demand for this supply. Unfortunately, that means personal connections are more valuable than they used to be, just to get the ball rolling.
  - punkbit 4mo ago
    Are you sure? Can you share some of those companies that are desperate to hire talent right now? I'd like serious teams as I need to find work. I do keep an eye on HN, Wellfound, Workatstartup, X, etc.
    - bluGill 4mo ago
      There are always a ton of companies looking for good talent. However there are not nearly as many as a couple year ago: there is more good talent looking for a job than there are jobs. This has happened before, it will happen again (this is easy for me to say - I still have a job, but I've been there before and I know first hand how bad it is when you need the job). Good luck to those of you looking for a job. My company is hiring a few people, but if someone leaves today there is only a 20% change we hire someone outside to replace them so I can't really offer leads worth looking at.
    - bloppe 4mo ago
      My company is hiring (small, but definitely happy to talk to you and all the people who made stuff run on your team at Cloudflare!) https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/blaxel https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/blaxel I know Waymo is trying to hire like a thousand engineers this year. There are others.
    - johnnyyw 4mo ago
      Like us :) We are not mandating AI tokens but asking people not to ship slop code. Naturally that means more people required; but in the age when everything is slop, imho having good taste becomes a competitive advantage. And that... requires good people. https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/hinoki/bb798ffb-2427-460e-84ff-fe29e4ca953c?utm_source=vDwMwpnWWz https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/hinoki/bb798ffb-2427-460e-84ff-fe29...
krooj 4mo ago
My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.
- happymellon 4mo ago
  Time to watch Office Space again?
  - sanderjd 4mo ago
    "I'm an agent person. I'm good at dealing with the agents! Can't you understand that?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! I'm good at dealing with the agents!"
    - siva7 4mo ago
      That line is so damn good i recommend everyone who doesn't get it to watch Office Space.
  - harimau777 4mo ago
    Honestly, Office Space looks like a dream job compared to normal practices. Imagine getting your own cubicle! That would be amazing!
- jdasdf 4mo ago
  Cloudflare has never made a profit. Is your stance that shareholders should perpetually subsidize it out of the goodness of their hearts?
  - podgietaru 4mo ago
    My stance is this: Fine, maybe you need to restructure for profit reasons. If that is the case, then it is also beholden upon the people doing the layoffs to understand their responsibility in that. In an ideal world, a layoff of this scale would also require a shakeup of the management that let it get this bad in the first place. What's more, the higher up the chain, the less onerous the layoff for the individual getting laid off.

by j2jj 4mo ago

headinthesky 4mo ago

Absolutely. My hope is selfish - the market is awful

kevin_thibedeau 4mo ago
Do the world a favor and take your institutional knowledge out the door to enjoy greener pastures.
- headinthesky 4mo ago
  The pasture is pretty crowded and full of shit. But thanks, friend. I appreciate it
  - keeda 4mo ago
    I've been laid off from every job I've held (and once I was even re-hired a month later!) so I know the feeling. There seem to be others here who are also impacted and I fear the overall trend will only continue, so I wrote up my thoughts on how to future-proof your job search. I do think the GP comment about institutional knowledge could be a key part of it. Hope this helps: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48067459
bloppe 4mo ago
I promise you there are a ton of companies desperate to hire talent right now. It's hard on both sides of the market. Lots of noise, but there is demand for this supply. Unfortunately, that means personal connections are more valuable than they used to be, just to get the ball rolling.
- punkbit 4mo ago
  Are you sure? Can you share some of those companies that are desperate to hire talent right now? I'd like serious teams as I need to find work. I do keep an eye on HN, Wellfound, Workatstartup, X, etc.
  - bluGill 4mo ago
    There are always a ton of companies looking for good talent. However there are not nearly as many as a couple year ago: there is more good talent looking for a job than there are jobs. This has happened before, it will happen again (this is easy for me to say - I still have a job, but I've been there before and I know first hand how bad it is when you need the job). Good luck to those of you looking for a job. My company is hiring a few people, but if someone leaves today there is only a 20% change we hire someone outside to replace them so I can't really offer leads worth looking at.
  - bloppe 4mo ago
    My company is hiring (small, but definitely happy to talk to you and all the people who made stuff run on your team at Cloudflare!) https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/blaxel https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/blaxel I know Waymo is trying to hire like a thousand engineers this year. There are others.
  - johnnyyw 4mo ago
    Like us :) We are not mandating AI tokens but asking people not to ship slop code. Naturally that means more people required; but in the age when everything is slop, imho having good taste becomes a competitive advantage. And that... requires good people. https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/hinoki/bb798ffb-2427-460e-84ff-fe29e4ca953c?utm_source=vDwMwpnWWz https://jobs.ashbyhq.com/hinoki/bb798ffb-2427-460e-84ff-fe29...

krooj 4mo ago

My man, all these fuckers use the same parasitic management consultancies. That's why all this shit looks the same.

happymellon 4mo ago
Time to watch Office Space again?
- sanderjd 4mo ago
  "I'm an agent person. I'm good at dealing with the agents! Can't you understand that?! What the hell is wrong with you people?! I'm good at dealing with the agents!"
  - siva7 4mo ago
    That line is so damn good i recommend everyone who doesn't get it to watch Office Space.
- harimau777 4mo ago
  Honestly, Office Space looks like a dream job compared to normal practices. Imagine getting your own cubicle! That would be amazing!
jdasdf 4mo ago
Cloudflare has never made a profit. Is your stance that shareholders should perpetually subsidize it out of the goodness of their hearts?
- podgietaru 4mo ago
  My stance is this: Fine, maybe you need to restructure for profit reasons. If that is the case, then it is also beholden upon the people doing the layoffs to understand their responsibility in that. In an ideal world, a layoff of this scale would also require a shakeup of the management that let it get this bad in the first place. What's more, the higher up the chain, the less onerous the layoff for the individual getting laid off.