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Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I
by menno-sh 4mo ago
Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. They have such a strong argument here, too. I can imagine that whoever came up with this is very pleased with theirselves, and rightfully so.
- k33n 4mo ago[flagged]
- robin_reala 4mo agoIt’s about having rights, and exercising them. If companies find that difficult to work with then they’re not even hitting the minimum baseline.
- shimman 4mo agoAlso why should we allow such companies to exist if the vast majority of people don't like their actions? There's no fundamental right to starting a business, so might as well make businesses socially acceptable rather than fucking the public for profit.
- vrganj 4mo agoMaking the lives of those that wish to exploit us and monetize our relationships on their enshittified platforms is not the same as making everyone's life difficult.
- amarcheschi 4mo agoI would say that they are the first that decide to make everyone's life harder on purpose, first. Trying to pay them back is the least somebody could do
- newyankee 4mo agoWhen an entity becomes almost a monopoly, surely the rules about some behaviours should be stronger
- embedding-shape 4mo ago> It’s a very European concept, that making life difficult is a worthy pursuit. It's really hard to understand concepts when you're internationally masking and misleading yourself. Obviously no one things "making life difficult is a worthy pursuit", but, doing the right thing sometimes is worth a bit of the difficulties it introduces, this is why you see moves like this.
- well_ackshually 4mo agoYou force yourself onto my life (because, for various reasons, most of the career listings are there for example) and then you attempt to make it miserable too, by using and abusing every FOMO tool in the box ? You bet your ass I'm going to make your life difficult. If you want it to stop, you're the one with the ball on your side of the court, you know exactly what to do. It's a very American concept, to believe you can just ignore systems and networks. The guy shitting in your yard every day doesn't go away just because you're not looking at him do it.
- greggoB 4mo ago> It’s a very European concept, that making life difficult is a worthy pursuit This is an incredibly bold statement, and something I really cannot relate to having lived in Europe for over a decade. It comes across as more of a knee-jerk reaction from someone who believes oversight or accountability of any kind is by definition a needless burden.
- k33n 4mo agoI’m an incredibly bold guy. And I would personally just stop operating in the EU if it was between that and being accountable to their bureaucrats.
- jmkd 4mo agoSo you don't want to be accountable to users, or to bureaucrats? If you had to choose one who would it be?
- greggoB 4mo agoNobody's holding a gun to your head, you're welcome to setup shop in the most anarchist society you can find. Good luck with whatever version of "operating" you're able to manage while there :)
- k33n 4mo agoWhy would I move to London?
- Snow_Falls 4mo agoLondon is safer than many american cities, what are you talking about? edit: removed snark
- greggoB 4mo agoDespite Brexit propaganda, the UK still has bureaucrats and regulation. Try again :) Edit: in case this was an attempted swipe at me, I'm not British, btw ;)
- atwrk 4mo agoYou think standing in for people's rights against the profit interests of transnational corporations means "making life difficult"? Whose life exactly? That of the CEO of Microsoft?
- k33n 4mo ago> Oh I LOVE this, we can't have enough of these privacy-focused non-profits making tech companies' lives difficult. Literally the comment I replied to.
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- fellowmartian 4mo agoHey, he MIGHT be that CEO one day. Currently he’s temporarily embarrassed billionaire.
- john_strinlai 4mo agoit is a very American concept, that company interests should be placed above human interests and rights.
- 1234letshaveatw 4mo ago[flagged]
- john_strinlai 4mo agoa generic "europe bad" comment doesnt deserve much more than a generic "america bad" comment as a reply
- skinfaxi 4mo agoI would hope for better. Threads descending into nationalism are rarely interesting. > The most important principle on HN, though, is to make thoughtful comments. Thoughtful in both senses: civil and substantial https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- john_strinlai 4mo agoif that was truly the "most important principle", there wouldnt be hundreds of upvoted "ai slop", "microslop", "github has 4 9s... 89.999! lolol", etc. comments every day. i have several other thoughts on the topic in general, and your light chastising, but its probably not the place or time.
- malfist 4mo agoWell, not all Americans. Just ones of a specific political bent that is common on this site. And the wealthy ones, because they have the money hoarding disease
- jbxntuehineoh 4mo agomaking life difficult for _people i don't like_ is a worthy pursuit
- harrouet 4mo agoYou don't pay them anything but you are the product, genius !
- k33n 4mo agoOh wow, I’ve never heard that one before. I had no idea!
- recursivecaveat 4mo agoAs everyone knows, there are no soldiers, or litigation lawyers, or security guards, or investigative journalists, or police, or home inspectors, in America, since everyone understands it would be inappropriate to make life difficult for bad actors. The one true way is to lie down for corporations, and tell anyone who doesn't like it that they're free to live in the woods and interact with no-one if they appreciate personal liberty so much.
- snapcaster 4mo agoThis is 100% going to be the boot lickiest comment I read all day
- k33n 4mo ago[flagged]
- vrganj 4mo agoYou're refusing to acknowledge the authority of democratic institutions and instead defend unelected oligarchs. If that isn't boot licking, I don't know what is.
- snapcaster 4mo agoBro thinks he's on the team
- theturtlemoves 4mo ago[flagged]
- isodev 4mo agoCorrection, we hate making money at the expense of other peoples rights and liberties. It's kind of frustrating to have to explain that to US folks over and over again... all that "freedom" in their things is apparently very decorative.
- theturtlemoves 4mo agoDepends on what you mean by right. Oftentimes it's rephrased as "The other guy's obligation".
- elric 4mo agoCare to elaborate on that?
- xboxnolifes 4mo agoYou have the obligation to not do things at the expense of others' freedoms.
- micromacrofoot 4mo ago"In Ireland, people have an interesting attitude toward success—they look down on it. In America, you look at the mansion on the hill and think, 'One day that will be me.' In Ireland, people say, 'One day, I'm going to get that bastard!'"
- Anonbrit 4mo agoI'd say instead that we value the commons and don't like companies making money by externalising all their problems to the general public. If company Foo leaks my personal data, I suffer, they don't, so without regulation there's no reason for them to invest in protecting it. Same with pollution and similar
- lmf4lol 4mo ago