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The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in

The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

leereeves 4mo ago
Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?
- plaidthunder 4mo ago
  100% tariff and political threats -- implying that they'd find a way to mark them as "unsafe", despite the fact that Canada and Europe tend to have higher safety standards than the US and already have BYD presence. You can see the political groundwork being laid here. https://homeland.house.gov/2025/05/21/homeland-republicans-probe-prc-affiliated-transportation-manufacturers-for-potential-national-security-threats/#:~:text=In%20the%20letter%2C%20the%20members,a%20U.S.%2Dbased%20domestic%20manufacturer. https://homeland.house.gov/2025/05/21/homeland-republicans-p... If these concerns are so pressing, why do we allow any electronics at all from China? It smells like air cover for a de-facto ban on BYD. To force US consumers to buy from politically blessed car makers instead of letting us choose the highest quality car available (at a given price point).
  - 1234letshaveatw 4mo ago
    Some level of protectionism is in the best interest of national security. How is the local electronics industry that you referenced in the US doing? What is the ramification of eliminating the job market for engineers or discarding all of the US manufacturing know how? The CCP knows the answer to that question
    - plaidthunder 4mo ago
      The reason I called out Lada in my original comment is because it's a counterpoint to what you just said. The Lada was the result of too much protectionism. Produced from an empire that was too inward looking and feared interacting with the rest of the world on equal terms. BYD keeps performing well in the rest of the world. If we hold US consumers hostage to prop up companies like Tesla, we risk allowing them to stagnate.
      - 1234letshaveatw 4mo ago
        I prefer to take my chances on stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony
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        bdangubic 4mo ago
        what has become of America where we are now scared shitless of China... oh well, i is what it is... America our ancestors built would have been like bring it on bitches and here we are "oh please, lets not let China in, our companies are subpar and we stand no chance against such a foe...
        suburban_strike 4mo ago
        When the accountant is sweating at the prospect of having the books reviewed by outside auditors, no explanation is necessary.
        hdgvhicv 4mo ago
        American exceptional used to be “we can do this no one else can” Today it’s “everyone can do this but we can’t”
        watwut 4mo ago
        America was always like that. The posturing of "bring it on bitches" does not imply reality of it. Ameruca had that attitude when it was more developped then competition. Ot was protectionist when it was less developped. And always used diplomacy and superpower status to push other countries into buying more american.
- kube-system 4mo ago
  Global automakers typically make small modifications to vehicles for different markets. Cars, like most engineered products, are built to a list of design criteria. BYD, like every large automaker that does this, has capable engineers that can target any regulatory specification you give them. They already do it for all of the other markets they sell in, just as every global automaker does. Chinese cars don't exist in the US because of laws specifically designed to prevent their sale here. The tariff for Chinese EVs was increased to 100% a couple of years ago when it was rumored that BYD was going to move to the US market. And currently, there is a bill circulating to ban them entirely.
- csa 4mo ago
  > Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations? Whatever the stated reasons are is one thing. The biggest issue is that a network of BYDs in the US would be a massive intelligence coup. It will never be permitted unless the intelligence aspect is addressed… if it can be.
  - kube-system 4mo ago
    That's the focus of the yet-to-be-passed bill that is circulating congress. The patterns of aggressively tariffing foreign automakers for protectionism in the US long pre-dates any sort electronics in cars. Lobbying forces in the US care deeply about the latter, not so much the former.
- mghackerlady 4mo ago
  I could see them going the Huawei (pun intended and apologised for)
- ErneX 4mo ago
  I cannot answer your question but I visited China last year and the amount of different EVs they had was staggering. And really nice vehicles, I was very impressed with that.
- haxtormoogle 4mo ago
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IncreasePosts 4mo ago
A BYD seal is basically comparable to a model 3, except it has a more classic car aesthetic as opposed to a giant screen. What are we missing out on?
- plaidthunder 4mo ago
  Competition. Lower prices. Better repairability.
  - IncreasePosts 4mo ago
    A BYD seal is between $35k and $50k USD in various non US, non China countries that I checked Mexico, Germany, australia, Thailand. Competition is great but it doesn't mean that the cars in America are bad. The lada was a failure of a car compared to other similar cars available elsewhere. That is not the case here.
    - plaidthunder 4mo ago
      I have one of the first runs of model 3s. It still runs perfectly. Great battery life. I'm happy with it. Nevertheless, I find it frustrating that I can't even consider buying a BYD as my next electric daily driver. Because when Tesla and BYD enter markets together Tesla is often getting creamed. That makes me curious as to why. This de-facto ban of BYD in the USA does nothing but encourage stagnation.
      - bdangubic 4mo ago
        > That makes me curious as to why The why part is easy - Tesla is about as outdated of a car as it gets, it is practically same car and there are only few options. I own 2014 Model S and my neighbour has 2025 Model S - it is the same car when you look at it. We also got Model 3 (from many years ago) which was then blown up a little into Model Y and we have X from a decade ago. These are ancient cars. The tech inside may have improved but the offering is basically for my grandparents now.
    - 4mo ago
weirdmantis69 4mo ago
Ya I heard that from some chinese facebook users... oh wait...

The world before all of the big beautiful tariffs. It's depressing that we can't buy BYD in the USA. It's feeling more and more like being stuck with a Lada in the 1980s.

leereeves 4mo ago

Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations?

plaidthunder 4mo ago
100% tariff and political threats -- implying that they'd find a way to mark them as "unsafe", despite the fact that Canada and Europe tend to have higher safety standards than the US and already have BYD presence. You can see the political groundwork being laid here. https://homeland.house.gov/2025/05/21/homeland-republicans-probe-prc-affiliated-transportation-manufacturers-for-potential-national-security-threats/#:~:text=In%20the%20letter%2C%20the%20members,a%20U.S.%2Dbased%20domestic%20manufacturer. https://homeland.house.gov/2025/05/21/homeland-republicans-p... If these concerns are so pressing, why do we allow any electronics at all from China? It smells like air cover for a de-facto ban on BYD. To force US consumers to buy from politically blessed car makers instead of letting us choose the highest quality car available (at a given price point).
- 1234letshaveatw 4mo ago
  Some level of protectionism is in the best interest of national security. How is the local electronics industry that you referenced in the US doing? What is the ramification of eliminating the job market for engineers or discarding all of the US manufacturing know how? The CCP knows the answer to that question
  - plaidthunder 4mo ago
    The reason I called out Lada in my original comment is because it's a counterpoint to what you just said. The Lada was the result of too much protectionism. Produced from an empire that was too inward looking and feared interacting with the rest of the world on equal terms. BYD keeps performing well in the rest of the world. If we hold US consumers hostage to prop up companies like Tesla, we risk allowing them to stagnate.
    - 1234letshaveatw 4mo ago
      I prefer to take my chances on stagnation vs Chinese industrial hegemony
      - deleted 4mo ago
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      - bdangubic 4mo ago
        what has become of America where we are now scared shitless of China... oh well, i is what it is... America our ancestors built would have been like bring it on bitches and here we are "oh please, lets not let China in, our companies are subpar and we stand no chance against such a foe...
        suburban_strike 4mo ago
        When the accountant is sweating at the prospect of having the books reviewed by outside auditors, no explanation is necessary.
        hdgvhicv 4mo ago
        American exceptional used to be “we can do this no one else can” Today it’s “everyone can do this but we can’t”
        watwut 4mo ago
        America was always like that. The posturing of "bring it on bitches" does not imply reality of it. Ameruca had that attitude when it was more developped then competition. Ot was protectionist when it was less developped. And always used diplomacy and superpower status to push other countries into buying more american.
kube-system 4mo ago
Global automakers typically make small modifications to vehicles for different markets. Cars, like most engineered products, are built to a list of design criteria. BYD, like every large automaker that does this, has capable engineers that can target any regulatory specification you give them. They already do it for all of the other markets they sell in, just as every global automaker does. Chinese cars don't exist in the US because of laws specifically designed to prevent their sale here. The tariff for Chinese EVs was increased to 100% a couple of years ago when it was rumored that BYD was going to move to the US market. And currently, there is a bill circulating to ban them entirely.
csa 4mo ago
> Are BYD cars specifically banned or do they just not comply with all the US regulations? Whatever the stated reasons are is one thing. The biggest issue is that a network of BYDs in the US would be a massive intelligence coup. It will never be permitted unless the intelligence aspect is addressed… if it can be.
- kube-system 4mo ago
  That's the focus of the yet-to-be-passed bill that is circulating congress. The patterns of aggressively tariffing foreign automakers for protectionism in the US long pre-dates any sort electronics in cars. Lobbying forces in the US care deeply about the latter, not so much the former.
mghackerlady 4mo ago
I could see them going the Huawei (pun intended and apologised for)
ErneX 4mo ago
I cannot answer your question but I visited China last year and the amount of different EVs they had was staggering. And really nice vehicles, I was very impressed with that.
haxtormoogle 4mo ago
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IncreasePosts 4mo ago

A BYD seal is basically comparable to a model 3, except it has a more classic car aesthetic as opposed to a giant screen. What are we missing out on?

plaidthunder 4mo ago
Competition. Lower prices. Better repairability.
- IncreasePosts 4mo ago
  A BYD seal is between $35k and $50k USD in various non US, non China countries that I checked Mexico, Germany, australia, Thailand. Competition is great but it doesn't mean that the cars in America are bad. The lada was a failure of a car compared to other similar cars available elsewhere. That is not the case here.
  - plaidthunder 4mo ago
    I have one of the first runs of model 3s. It still runs perfectly. Great battery life. I'm happy with it. Nevertheless, I find it frustrating that I can't even consider buying a BYD as my next electric daily driver. Because when Tesla and BYD enter markets together Tesla is often getting creamed. That makes me curious as to why. This de-facto ban of BYD in the USA does nothing but encourage stagnation.
    - bdangubic 4mo ago
      > That makes me curious as to why The why part is easy - Tesla is about as outdated of a car as it gets, it is practically same car and there are only few options. I own 2014 Model S and my neighbour has 2025 Model S - it is the same car when you look at it. We also got Model 3 (from many years ago) which was then blown up a little into Model Y and we have X from a decade ago. These are ancient cars. The tech inside may have improved but the offering is basically for my grandparents now.
  - 4mo ago

weirdmantis69 4mo ago

Ya I heard that from some chinese facebook users... oh wait...