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This is a tough moment. Claude is simultaneously becoming substantially more expensive, substantially less reliable (single 9 of reliability), and substantially

by aliljet 5mo ago

This is a tough moment. Claude is simultaneously becoming substantially more expensive, substantially less reliable (single 9 of reliability), and substantially less performant. It's really hard to justify the cost of a subscription over there right now.

elfly 5mo ago
Don't say single nine, it sounds ugly and bad. Say five eights of reliability. Maybe six.
- inetknght 5mo ago
  We're talking about Claude, not GitHub...
  - HeWhoLurksLate 5mo ago
    that would be eight fives...
pkulak 5mo ago
Not to mention substantially less open. I've been using an OpenAI subscription in Pi Agent for a couple weeks now and it's great. And from what I can tell, 5.5 is a heck of a model.
chillfox 5mo ago
Interestingly, yeah, I can see that this would really cut into your subscription usage with the 5 hour rate limit windows... I am an API user, and while it being down is super annoying, it isn't really as big of a hit to my overall usage as I can just prepare a bunch of stuff to run in parallel when it does come back up.
datadrivenangel 5mo ago
From an economics perspective, it makes sense to make it more expensive if you're having trouble keeping up with demand for a service. It'll be tough getting used to because it was so nice and cheap
- a_victorp 5mo ago
  On the other hand, it was somewhat expected that we would have a correction for the prices. Hopefully after this correction things will be more stable and we won't have to worry too much about future price increases
  - bspinner 5mo ago
    the prices will slowly increase until enough people actually stop paying for it.
OccamsMirror 5mo ago
Plus, they've dumbed down their models to the point where the value just isn't there like it was. If I have to go in and clean up after it, or constantly wrestle with it through prompts, what's the point? Just spending $200 a month to be frustrated at a machine.
giancarlostoro 5mo ago
There was another thread where some people pointed out, Amazon will give you access to Claude with better uptime for the same price (per million tokens up / down), downside is, it does not have the native ability to browse the web, but maybe that's a hidden blessing, since it's less likely to read some random website that has prompt injection embedded into it. For coding its fine, I havent experimented too much with Amazon Bedrock myself, but I just might soon to check for any limitations.
- willsmith72 5mo ago
  But that's just paying per use right, not with the subscription which is way better value
  - giancarlostoro 5mo ago
    Correct, but in the case that they brought it up, their employer was on a enterprise license, which is still pay per token. The subscription will eventually go away in some way, or cost way more than it does.
- 2001zhaozhao 5mo ago
  Maybe the best play is to set up a routing system locally so that when claude.ai is down it automatically switches to Amazon billing and switches back when it comes back up
- Atotalnoob 5mo ago
  I’m pretty sure it has the ability to browse the web. It can use playwright, web fetch, etc… I use bedrock at work and Claude subscription at home. They are pretty much exactly the same in my experience Or do you mean the Claude in chrome plugin? Bedrock doesn’t have that, but in my experience it doesn’t work that well. Neither does the Claude managed agents or ultra plan.
  - fg137 5mo ago
    They likely refer to "WebSearch", not "WebFetch" (and the original statement is not correct).
Frannky 5mo ago
It's lazy, does not take ownership and responsibility, wants to defer work, and I have to force it to check reality. It likes to guess and assume it's correct and I am wrong. Agents.md is not helping at all. It's in full enshittification phase, yay!
Avicebron 5mo ago
I'm either extremely lucky or Dario ran the direct fiber to my house because I have never had it go down in any meaningful way.. Is this just the API and I'm too much of luddite to actually use the API?
- 2ndorderthought 5mo ago
  Dude dario definitely ran the fiber straight to your place personally. Everything is fine and this is such a good thing.
  - deleted 5mo ago
    [deleted]
edmundsauto 5mo ago
YMMV. I would still be very happy with Claude if it hard failed on 20% of tasks. You can always come back to it. I say this as someone working for a tech company who does not have to foot the bill (in the >$1k per month bracket) I also experienced and accept the 1990s levels of unreliability, which is my “internet generation”. My first access was lifting a handset and placing on a speaker/mic cradle. Programmers these days are fucking spoiled. If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it. But I’m getting $100k of value for $10k and so I’ll put up with some shit.
- willsmith72 5mo ago
  > If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it. Wrong comparison. If a competitor gives you $230 of value for $200, of course you shouldn't pick the $220 one
  - andai 5mo ago
    Well, you can get a much bigger portion for much cheaper next door, but taste is hard to quantify.
- bbeonx 5mo ago
  [flagged]
- wahnfrieden 5mo ago
  or just use codex...
- henriquez 5mo ago
  [dead]
2ndorderthought 5mo ago
Single nine has good vibes bro. It means when the service is up the results are better. I read about it in a blog. The model hallucinates way less. Even less than grok
smugma 5mo ago
We used to describe our startup as having 5 8’s of uptime

by aliljet 5mo ago

elfly 5mo ago

Don't say single nine, it sounds ugly and bad. Say five eights of reliability. Maybe six.

inetknght 5mo ago
We're talking about Claude, not GitHub...
- HeWhoLurksLate 5mo ago
  that would be eight fives...

pkulak 5mo ago

Not to mention substantially less open. I've been using an OpenAI subscription in Pi Agent for a couple weeks now and it's great. And from what I can tell, 5.5 is a heck of a model.

chillfox 5mo ago

Interestingly, yeah, I can see that this would really cut into your subscription usage with the 5 hour rate limit windows... I am an API user, and while it being down is super annoying, it isn't really as big of a hit to my overall usage as I can just prepare a bunch of stuff to run in parallel when it does come back up.

datadrivenangel 5mo ago

From an economics perspective, it makes sense to make it more expensive if you're having trouble keeping up with demand for a service. It'll be tough getting used to because it was so nice and cheap

a_victorp 5mo ago
On the other hand, it was somewhat expected that we would have a correction for the prices. Hopefully after this correction things will be more stable and we won't have to worry too much about future price increases
- bspinner 5mo ago
  the prices will slowly increase until enough people actually stop paying for it.

OccamsMirror 5mo ago

Plus, they've dumbed down their models to the point where the value just isn't there like it was. If I have to go in and clean up after it, or constantly wrestle with it through prompts, what's the point? Just spending $200 a month to be frustrated at a machine.

giancarlostoro 5mo ago

There was another thread where some people pointed out, Amazon will give you access to Claude with better uptime for the same price (per million tokens up / down), downside is, it does not have the native ability to browse the web, but maybe that's a hidden blessing, since it's less likely to read some random website that has prompt injection embedded into it. For coding its fine, I havent experimented too much with Amazon Bedrock myself, but I just might soon to check for any limitations.

willsmith72 5mo ago
But that's just paying per use right, not with the subscription which is way better value
- giancarlostoro 5mo ago
  Correct, but in the case that they brought it up, their employer was on a enterprise license, which is still pay per token. The subscription will eventually go away in some way, or cost way more than it does.
2001zhaozhao 5mo ago
Maybe the best play is to set up a routing system locally so that when claude.ai is down it automatically switches to Amazon billing and switches back when it comes back up
Atotalnoob 5mo ago
I’m pretty sure it has the ability to browse the web. It can use playwright, web fetch, etc… I use bedrock at work and Claude subscription at home. They are pretty much exactly the same in my experience Or do you mean the Claude in chrome plugin? Bedrock doesn’t have that, but in my experience it doesn’t work that well. Neither does the Claude managed agents or ultra plan.
- fg137 5mo ago
  They likely refer to "WebSearch", not "WebFetch" (and the original statement is not correct).

Frannky 5mo ago

It's lazy, does not take ownership and responsibility, wants to defer work, and I have to force it to check reality. It likes to guess and assume it's correct and I am wrong. Agents.md is not helping at all. It's in full enshittification phase, yay!

Avicebron 5mo ago

I'm either extremely lucky or Dario ran the direct fiber to my house because I have never had it go down in any meaningful way.. Is this just the API and I'm too much of luddite to actually use the API?

2ndorderthought 5mo ago
Dude dario definitely ran the fiber straight to your place personally. Everything is fine and this is such a good thing.
- deleted 5mo ago
  [deleted]

edmundsauto 5mo ago

YMMV. I would still be very happy with Claude if it hard failed on 20% of tasks. You can always come back to it. I say this as someone working for a tech company who does not have to foot the bill (in the >$1k per month bracket) I also experienced and accept the 1990s levels of unreliability, which is my “internet generation”. My first access was lifting a handset and placing on a speaker/mic cradle. Programmers these days are fucking spoiled. If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it. But I’m getting $100k of value for $10k and so I’ll put up with some shit.

willsmith72 5mo ago
> If it’s $220 worth of value for $200 - I get it. Wrong comparison. If a competitor gives you $230 of value for $200, of course you shouldn't pick the $220 one
- andai 5mo ago
  Well, you can get a much bigger portion for much cheaper next door, but taste is hard to quantify.
bbeonx 5mo ago
[flagged]
wahnfrieden 5mo ago
or just use codex...
henriquez 5mo ago
[dead]

2ndorderthought 5mo ago

Single nine has good vibes bro. It means when the service is up the results are better. I read about it in a blog. The model hallucinates way less. Even less than grok

smugma 5mo ago

We used to describe our startup as having 5 8’s of uptime