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They mention it as a critical factor, the disease is spread by insects, which is spread by hurricanes. The areas they grow the oranges never used to get hurrica

by HugoTea 5mo ago

They mention it as a critical factor, the disease is spread by insects, which is spread by hurricanes. The areas they grow the oranges never used to get hurricanes. > Hurricanes turned out to be a vector for spreading the little winged bug. The wind carried the psyllid all over the state, dropping it off in hundreds of thousands of acres of groves. > It was the perfect storm. And then, of course, there were the actual perfect storms, the high-caliber hurricanes that, before climate change, didn’t come to the Ridge: Irma, Ian, Milton, massive cells, all direct hits on the groves.

treis 5mo ago
Do you really believe parts of Florida never got hurricanes until recently?
- zdragnar 5mo ago
  To be charitable, they merely pointed out what the article said, even if it is obviously, objectively false.
  - jibal 5mo ago
    It's not objectively false, people just can't read. > the high-caliber hurricanes that, before climate change, didn’t come to the Ridge
    - caminante 5mo ago
      You're making the parent's point. These recent storms only got to Cat4. Similar storms hit the aforementioned areas in 2004-05 including Cat4. How do these revelations not contradict the article?
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- HugoTea 5mo ago
  I have no idea what Florida's weather patterns are
  - caminante 5mo ago
    Yes, people are jumping in because neither did the author, and it seems like that's core to the author's argument.
tgarrett 5mo ago
>The areas they grow the oranges never used to get hurricanes. That's not correct: we have good data going back to 1851: https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.htm... Search for "FL": hurricanes have been hitting Florida frequently for the last 175 years.
- acdha 5mo ago
  That's not the point being made: the article clearly states that those areas did not previously get hit by storms at this level. Climate change is making hurricanes stronger and wetter, so even though they've been a phenomenon for as long as humans have lived there that doesn't mean that the frequency of damaging storms over an area can't change in a way which makes it worse for agriculture. There's an inflation-adjusted list of weather events which caused the equivalent of a billion dollars or more in damages, and the upward trend is pretty clear — it's like dismissing the impact of the machine gun because people used to have long rifles. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/state-summary/FL https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/state-summary/FL You get a similar problem with saltwater intrusion where, yes, it's never not been a phenomenon but now it's affecting a lot more people than it used to: https://southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/initiative/climate-indicators-salt-water-intrustion/ https://southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/initiative/climat...
  - slibhb 5mo ago
    Hurricanes do more dollars in damage because we're richer and there's more capital near the coast. The idea that climate change caused hurricanes which spread insects is not impossible but seems unlikely. I don't think the statistical methods exist to prove it.
    - caminante 5mo ago
      Valuations have skyrocketed and insurance premiums are insane. I love the stories about people in FL self-insuring now because it's cheaper to repair drywall than pay premiums.
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patwolf 5mo ago
Regardless of the debate of whether climate change has intensified hurricanes, it seems odd to blame hurricanes for being a vector for spreading the bugs. Wouldn't the bugs have spread via wind even if it wasn't climate change induced hurricane winds?
- wolfie69 5mo ago
  The hurricanes spread the insects rapidly over a very large area, within a few days. With so many hurricanes coming so frequently the areal coverage overwhelmed what could have been a response.
wolfie69 5mo ago
Native Floridian here... although the story does not mention it central FL was hit in 2004 by hurricanes Charley, Frances and Jeanne, and in 2005 was affected by Hurricane Wilma as well. Before that you have to go back to the 1940s before inland central Florida was affected by hurricane force winds. I think the article left that out for editorial reasons, the recent hurricanes in the past few years the article mentions really contributed to the final demise of the orange industry. And yes, you used to be able to go outside at night in March and April smell the beautiful scent of the orange blossoms. It is certainly something of "Old Florida" that I miss.

by HugoTea 5mo ago

treis 5mo ago

Do you really believe parts of Florida never got hurricanes until recently?

zdragnar 5mo ago
To be charitable, they merely pointed out what the article said, even if it is obviously, objectively false.
- jibal 5mo ago
  It's not objectively false, people just can't read. > the high-caliber hurricanes that, before climate change, didn’t come to the Ridge
  - caminante 5mo ago
    You're making the parent's point. These recent storms only got to Cat4. Similar storms hit the aforementioned areas in 2004-05 including Cat4. How do these revelations not contradict the article?
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HugoTea 5mo ago
I have no idea what Florida's weather patterns are
- caminante 5mo ago
  Yes, people are jumping in because neither did the author, and it seems like that's core to the author's argument.

tgarrett 5mo ago

>The areas they grow the oranges never used to get hurricanes. That's not correct: we have good data going back to 1851: https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.html https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/hurdat/All_U.S._Hurricanes.htm... Search for "FL": hurricanes have been hitting Florida frequently for the last 175 years.

acdha 5mo ago
That's not the point being made: the article clearly states that those areas did not previously get hit by storms at this level. Climate change is making hurricanes stronger and wetter, so even though they've been a phenomenon for as long as humans have lived there that doesn't mean that the frequency of damaging storms over an area can't change in a way which makes it worse for agriculture. There's an inflation-adjusted list of weather events which caused the equivalent of a billion dollars or more in damages, and the upward trend is pretty clear — it's like dismissing the impact of the machine gun because people used to have long rifles. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/state-summary/FL https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/state-summary/FL You get a similar problem with saltwater intrusion where, yes, it's never not been a phenomenon but now it's affecting a lot more people than it used to: https://southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/initiative/climate-indicators-salt-water-intrustion/ https://southeastfloridaclimatecompact.org/initiative/climat...
- slibhb 5mo ago
  Hurricanes do more dollars in damage because we're richer and there's more capital near the coast. The idea that climate change caused hurricanes which spread insects is not impossible but seems unlikely. I don't think the statistical methods exist to prove it.
  - caminante 5mo ago
    Valuations have skyrocketed and insurance premiums are insane. I love the stories about people in FL self-insuring now because it's cheaper to repair drywall than pay premiums.
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patwolf 5mo ago

Regardless of the debate of whether climate change has intensified hurricanes, it seems odd to blame hurricanes for being a vector for spreading the bugs. Wouldn't the bugs have spread via wind even if it wasn't climate change induced hurricane winds?

wolfie69 5mo ago
The hurricanes spread the insects rapidly over a very large area, within a few days. With so many hurricanes coming so frequently the areal coverage overwhelmed what could have been a response.

wolfie69 5mo ago

Native Floridian here... although the story does not mention it central FL was hit in 2004 by hurricanes Charley, Frances and Jeanne, and in 2005 was affected by Hurricane Wilma as well. Before that you have to go back to the 1940s before inland central Florida was affected by hurricane force winds. I think the article left that out for editorial reasons, the recent hurricanes in the past few years the article mentions really contributed to the final demise of the orange industry. And yes, you used to be able to go outside at night in March and April smell the beautiful scent of the orange blossoms. It is certainly something of "Old Florida" that I miss.