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It all sounds great. Which government? Is it a different regime? If not, why would the US concede?
by cmilton 5mo ago
It all sounds great. Which government? Is it a different regime? If not, why would the US concede?
- wrs 5mo agoWhy would the US start this in the first place? Be assured that however this comes out, a “Truth” will be posted assessing it as the Greatest Deal Ever and a Total Win, end of story.
- sosomoxie 5mo agoIt’s been repeatedly stated by officials that we fought this war for Israel. We had nothing to gain and much to lose, and lose we did. Thankfully Israel also lost and I think this was their last chance at using the US as their attack dog.
- kraken_cult 5mo agoWe will see if this is all the chips that Epstein bought
- mupuff1234 5mo agoPeople are looking for conspiracy theories when the truth is simple - trump did it because he thought it would be an easy quick win that will put him in the history books.
- sosomoxie 5mo agoIt’s not a conspiracy theory if Trump and all parties involved explicitly state this was for Israel. The simplest explanation is that they are telling the truth, which makes sense since the US had nothing to gain from this.
- rsynnott 5mo agoNetanyahu has wanted to do this for decades. If you rob a bank, you don't get to say "oh, well, my crazy friend down the pub has been saying we should rob a bank for ages, and I suddenly decided he was right"; you do have some personal responsibility.
- rsynnott 5mo agoSidenote; there's this weird thing that people sometimes do wrt to Trump (and I think it's both his supporters and detractors to an extent) where they kind of treat him as if he's without agency, and stuff is just happening to him. I think it might be a kind of subconscious response to him being old and coming across as a bit senile, but it is nonsensical.
- 8note 5mo agoa major reason would be that they didnt think iran could selectively close the strait, and the intelligence about how not liking the current government is not the same as supporting the US
- jojobas 5mo agoThe old government is largely dead. The new one has a carrot and a stick in front of them.
- ceejayoz 5mo agoThe new government is led by the Ayatollah Khamenei. The son of the last one, younger and out for revenge. Knocking off Saddam gave us ISIS. These things have a way of going sideways.
- joshsyn 5mo ago[dead]
- jojobas 5mo agoThis son is reportedly in coma and in no position to rule.
- ceejayoz 5mo agoYay! We cut off two of the hydra’s heads! That always ends well.
- sosomoxie 5mo agoReported by whom?
- alfiedotwtf 5mo agoSo who has the authority to claim that Iran has agreed to a ceasefire?!
- alfiedotwtf 5mo agoKnocking off the Taliban gave us the check notes the Taliban
- derektank 5mo agoThe IRGC is probably more analogous to the Ba’ath party than the Taliban if we’re limiting ourself to regional comparisons
- marricks 5mo ago> why would the US concede? Because it has no way of achieving its objectives.
- cmilton 5mo agoI don't think that has stopped anything so far, but I appreciate your optimism.
- firesteelrain 5mo ago[flagged]
- acjohnson55 5mo agoAll those ships stuck on either side of the Strait of Hormuz and their insurers would beg to differ.
- NomDePlum 5mo ago[dead]
- PierceJoy 5mo agoTo whom, and to what? A military threat to the continental US, sure. To US allies in the region, and to the global economy, it appears Iran is a much bigger threat than we were lead to believe, and still are. If anything, they're justifiably more emboldened now than ever.
- throwaway173738 5mo agoIf you keep picking fights with someone don’t be surprised if they learn how to fight. There’s literally a line in Sayings of Spartans about teaching your enemy to fight by making war with them.
- alfiedotwtf 5mo agoYou must not be paying attention… So far, Trump said that the Straight of Hormuz closed is cutting off China’s oil supply and isn’t important to the US, the US doesn’t need allies, but after Trump got zero help from Europe he then proceeded to ask China of all countries to help in the straight?! Knowing people travelling near and through the Straight, Iran has all the cards. “Iran is of little threat” doesn’t hold water when the US can’t even send ships though to protect container ships
- lumost 5mo agoBecause it doesn’t have a choice. There is no path to winning this war, just ways of making larger and more complex versions of the Iraq occupation.
- acjohnson55 5mo agoDepends on what you mean by "win". It would be possible to go in, topple the regime and secure the nuclear material. But only at astronomical cost and years of blowback
- SideQuark 5mo agoHow’d that plan work out in Iraq or Afghanistan, both much smaller, less armed countries? Decades and trillions spent, and what exactly did the US “win”?
- amluto 5mo agoThe US won the removal of a regime in Iraq that strongly opposed Iran. </sarcasm>
- lumost 5mo ago"Regime Change" has become a modern term for vassalization. We should not be surprised that countries with no reason to be a US vassal, and no long-term ties to the US refuse to remain vassals. So then what would we achieve? nuclear material is cheap (10s of billions) relative to a multi-decade occupation (single digit trillions). It's undoubtedly true that Iran would revert to it's preferred form of government, geopolitical orientation, and nuclear capability once the US left.
- jltsiren 5mo agoWinning a war means achieving your political goals while preventing the enemy from achieving theirs. Most of the time, you've won the war when the enemy effectively admits they lost. The lack of will to use sufficient force to win a war is fundamentally no different from not having that force in the first place. Both are equally real constraints on your ability to win the war.
- tw04 5mo ago> If not, why would the US concede? Because Trump is already facing a bloodbath in the midterms and his next step is either a ground war or dropping a nuke, and both of those will ensure he not only loses the midterms but has a legitimate shot at seeing the inside of a prison cell.
- goatlover 5mo agoBecause the escalation Trump was talking about would have wrecked the ME with Iran's retaliation on desalination plants, oil infrastructure, power plants, etc. Which would have been a massive shock to the global economy, along with a large humanitarian crisis inside of Iran and it's neighbors.