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Oh no! ...anyway... Seriously bros, this is a war where one side is making wildly inflammatory, specific and credible threats against the civilian infrastruct

Oh no! ...anyway... Seriously bros, this is a war where one side is making wildly inflammatory, specific and credible threats against the civilian infrastructure of the other and this is a response to that, hardly even a response in kind. If they strike these assets it will cause financial burden for rich people, not plunge millions of civilians into darkness as the POTUS is credibly threatening to do. Iranian attacks on US soil: Fuck all! So why is America fighting Iran? Insane ziofascist cultists picking fights on the other side of the planet to provoke the Apocalypse so they can all be raptured to paradise. (Translation: boomers are getting old and they want to see burning flesh one more time before they die.)

graemep 5mo ago
Iran has threatened to destroy water supplies in the Gulf states, which would kill huge numbers of people.
- cineticdaffodil 5mo ago
  Not only threatened it did some "teststrikes"
- mikkupikku 5mo ago
  After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?
  - 21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
    Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc. It also wars with the kurds and had some fun in afghanistan? Iran is not passive - iran is active, a wannabe us (lets call it micro-satan) - that wants to do what russia did along its borders.
    - mikkupikku 5mo ago
      > Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. You seem to be confusing Israel for America, a common problem in American politics.
      - 21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
        The us is the peace guarantor for maritime trade in the region. Its the protector of several oil powers. When the hoothi shoot on ships, they hit the us.
      - poisonarena 5mo ago
        The navy anti-drone team on my last 2 ships in the merchant marine would argue differently
      - gryzzly 5mo ago
        Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.
        kdheiwns 5mo ago
        For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.
        gryzzly 5mo ago
        this was a reply to people saying "Iran is not attacking the US". It is of course convenient to bend this discussion into a different direction, but this was a reply to blind propaganda that sees only one side as responsible for bad things.
  - igorramazanov 5mo ago
    My personal opinion is that, it's because with the previous political and cultural trends, West had (maybe still has) actually quite high chances of collapsing and falling in the long term due to its own indecisiveness, lots of words mixed a lack of actions against coordinated and targeted efforts of Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. I remember national state TV in Russia talking about "we are ready to nuke United States if needed" in 2014 [1]. So, domestically, government made sure people believe that the West is the mortal enemy and we were are already at some kind of cold war since Crimea annexation, it's just West didn't notice, seems like. Then, there were also artifical immigration crisis at EU borders created by Russia and Belarus. And many other various hybrid and asymmetrical attacks. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9mVLomYo8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9mVLomYo8 So, USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece, to ensure a long term peace and safety of its people. Could it be better organized and coordinated with allies? Probably, yes, but the meaning stays.
    - jurgenburgen 5mo ago
      > So, USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece, to ensure a long term peace and safety of its people. Could it be better organized and coordinated with allies? Probably, yes, but the meaning stays. By becoming part of the problem? Trump threatening to invade Greenland was a wake-up call for Europe. Actively supporting forces that want to tear down democracy in Europe isn’t particularly helpful either. If we become like China and Russia then why is our civilization in any way better?
    - graemep 5mo ago
      If the west collapses it will be because of its internal problems. Inefficiency, bad government, inequality. I think you are right that the West is complacent about its enemies because it cannot really shake the belief in its superiority that came from winning the cold war and dominating the world in the decades after, I just do not think that is the biggest threat.
    - pjc50 5mo ago
      > Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. Putting these all in the same list conflates very different situations. - Big actual threat with body count: Russia. - Russian proxies: Syria (very lethal, but mostly within Syria, not a "threat to the west", complicated by Daesh and AQ) - Nasty autocracy but stable cold war: NK - Autocracy, but largely minding their own business and with no real capability to threaten: Cuba, Venezuela - Major trading partner: China > USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece Trump era has systematically downplayed the threat from Russia. And let's not forget how many members of Trump campaign staff were jailed due to Russian influence.
  - gryzzly 5mo ago
    1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (Col. Higgins murdered) 1995 Apr - Gaza Strip — 1 American killed (car bomb) 1995 Aug - Jerusalem, Israel — 1 American killed, 100+ wounded (bus bombing) 1996 Feb - Jerusalem, Israel — 3 Americans killed, 3 wounded (bus bombing) 1996 Mar - Tel Aviv, Israel — 2 Americans killed (shopping center bombing) 1996 May - West Bank — 1 American killed, 1 wounded 1996 Jun - Khobar, Saudi Arabia — 19 Americans killed, ~500 wounded (Khobar Towers) 1997 Sep - Jerusalem, Israel — 1 American killed, 7 wounded (mall bombing) 1998 Aug - Nairobi/Dar es Salaam — 12 Americans killed, thousands wounded (embassy bombings) 2001 Sep - New York/Washington D.C. — Iran facilitated transit of hijackers (2,977 total killed) 2002 Jan - West Bank — 1 American killed 2002 Jul - Jerusalem, Israel — 5 Americans killed (Hebrew University bombing) 2003 Aug - Jerusalem, Israel — 5 Americans killed (bus bombing) 2003 Oct - Gaza Strip — 3 Americans killed (diplomatic convoy bombing) 2003-2011 - Iraq — 603 U.S. troops killed (Iranian-backed militia IED/EFP campaign) 2011 - Washington D.C. — 0 casualties (assassination plot on Saudi ambassador foiled) 2019 Jun - Strait of Hormuz — 0 casualties (U.S. Global Hawk drone shot down) 2019 Sep - Saudi Arabia — 0 American casualties (Abqaiq oil facility drone strike) 2019 Dec - Baghdad, Iraq — 0 casualties (U.S. Embassy stormed) 2020 Jan - Ain al-Assad, Iraq — 100+ U.S. troops with traumatic brain injuries (ballistic missile strike) 2021-2022 - Iraq/Syria — ongoing U.S. base attacks by Iranian-backed militias 2023 Oct-Nov - Iraq/Syria — 60+ attacks in Iraq, 90+ in Syria; scores of U.S. troops wounded 2024 Jan 28 - Tower 22, Jordan — 3 Americans killed, 34+ wounded (drone strike) 2024 - Red Sea/Yemen — ongoing Houthi drone/missile attacks on U.S. naval assets 2024 Nov - United States — 0 casualties (Trump assassination plot foiled)
    - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
      Would be stronger with a source. Otherwise, it feels on the border of being potential AI slop.
      - 5mo ago
  - SanjayMehta 5mo ago
    Oil.
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > they aren't even attacking America America never invaded Greenland. Nevertheless, we're facing blowback because we threatened it. Iran has been chanting "death to America" for decades. That isn't casus belli. Not by a long shot. But pretending Iran hasn't been playing the part of belligerent for years is rewriting history.
- ceejayoz 5mo ago
  Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-hegseth-and-caine-hold-pentagon-briefing-as-trump-threatens-irans-infrastructure https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-hegseth-and... > In a Truth Social post on March 30, Trump warned that the U.S. would obliterate "all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet 'touched.'"
  - graemep 5mo ago
    It follows Trumps threats to destroy power plants, but predates the threat you quote. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/22/iran-says-destroy-middle-east-infrastructure-us-energy-sites https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/22/iran-says-dest... AFAIK there is no exemption that says it is OK to commit war crimes if the other side does. If attacking power plants and oil production is a war crime, then Russia, Ukraine, and many other countries are guilty of it.
    - embedding-shape 5mo ago
      > AFAIK there is no exemption that says it is OK to commit war crimes if the other side does. Of course not, but I still think the expectation that someone doesn't commit war crimes against you disappears relatively quickly when you're openly and proudly admitting you'll open to violating the rules of war and saying international humanitarian law doesn't matter.
    - nkrisc 5mo ago
      That may be so, but remember that Ukraine is fighting for its very survival, and Iran may be as well.
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? It's Iran. They haven't been following international law since 1979. That isn't an excuse to commit war crimes against them. But Iran really doesn't have any legs to stand on when it comes to complaining about targeting civilian infrastructure–they and their proxies have been doing this for decades.
- SanjayMehta 5mo ago
  And do you blame them? US behaviour in Iraq, Yugoslavia et al has always been to attack power stations and civilian infrastructure first. The 47th war criminal in chief Trump and his Secretary of War(crimes) is making threats on TV and social media. I would love to see the terrorist regime of Iran collapse but in this scenario, sorry, the US is completely in the wrong.
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > do you blame them? Blame is a weird word for geopolitics. I think Iran fucked up hitting those targets pre-emptively. Someone at home had to show their hard-liner boss that they were just as hard-line as he is. So they did something macho. The consequences be damned. The mirroring of dysfunction on each side of this war is uncanny.
- srean 5mo ago
  US-Israel struck Iran's desalination plants first. Iran's targeting strategy has been a capability restrained tit for tat, for the most part. This is true except for attacks on other gulf states right after US-Israel decapitation strike.
- megous 5mo ago
  You seem informed. Why did they do so? And what motivated them? Sounds like a thing a state would not want to do to their neighbor out of the blue.

graemep 5mo ago

Iran has threatened to destroy water supplies in the Gulf states, which would kill huge numbers of people.

cineticdaffodil 5mo ago
Not only threatened it did some "teststrikes"
mikkupikku 5mo ago
After America attacked them, sure, and in any case they aren't even attacking America, so again, why is America involved?
- 21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
  Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc. It also wars with the kurds and had some fun in afghanistan? Iran is not passive - iran is active, a wannabe us (lets call it micro-satan) - that wants to do what russia did along its borders.
  - mikkupikku 5mo ago
    > Because Iran attacks them relentlessly by proxxy? Hoothis, Hezbullah, Hamas, etc Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. You seem to be confusing Israel for America, a common problem in American politics.
    - 21asdffdsa12 5mo ago
      The us is the peace guarantor for maritime trade in the region. Its the protector of several oil powers. When the hoothi shoot on ships, they hit the us.
    - poisonarena 5mo ago
      The navy anti-drone team on my last 2 ships in the merchant marine would argue differently
    - gryzzly 5mo ago
      Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.
      - kdheiwns 5mo ago
        For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.
        gryzzly 5mo ago
        this was a reply to people saying "Iran is not attacking the US". It is of course convenient to bend this discussion into a different direction, but this was a reply to blind propaganda that sees only one side as responsible for bad things.
- igorramazanov 5mo ago
  My personal opinion is that, it's because with the previous political and cultural trends, West had (maybe still has) actually quite high chances of collapsing and falling in the long term due to its own indecisiveness, lots of words mixed a lack of actions against coordinated and targeted efforts of Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. I remember national state TV in Russia talking about "we are ready to nuke United States if needed" in 2014 [1]. So, domestically, government made sure people believe that the West is the mortal enemy and we were are already at some kind of cold war since Crimea annexation, it's just West didn't notice, seems like. Then, there were also artifical immigration crisis at EU borders created by Russia and Belarus. And many other various hybrid and asymmetrical attacks. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9mVLomYo8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA9mVLomYo8 So, USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece, to ensure a long term peace and safety of its people. Could it be better organized and coordinated with allies? Probably, yes, but the meaning stays.
  - jurgenburgen 5mo ago
    > So, USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece, to ensure a long term peace and safety of its people. Could it be better organized and coordinated with allies? Probably, yes, but the meaning stays. By becoming part of the problem? Trump threatening to invade Greenland was a wake-up call for Europe. Actively supporting forces that want to tear down democracy in Europe isn’t particularly helpful either. If we become like China and Russia then why is our civilization in any way better?
  - graemep 5mo ago
    If the west collapses it will be because of its internal problems. Inefficiency, bad government, inequality. I think you are right that the West is complacent about its enemies because it cannot really shake the belief in its superiority that came from winning the cold war and dominating the world in the decades after, I just do not think that is the biggest threat.
  - pjc50 5mo ago
    > Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba, China, Syria and North Korea. Putting these all in the same list conflates very different situations. - Big actual threat with body count: Russia. - Russian proxies: Syria (very lethal, but mostly within Syria, not a "threat to the west", complicated by Daesh and AQ) - Nasty autocracy but stable cold war: NK - Autocracy, but largely minding their own business and with no real capability to threaten: Cuba, Venezuela - Major trading partner: China > USA recognized the danger and started dismantling the problem piece by piece Trump era has systematically downplayed the threat from Russia. And let's not forget how many members of Trump campaign staff were jailed due to Russian influence.
- gryzzly 5mo ago
  1979-1981 - Tehran, Iran — 66 Americans held hostage 444 days 1983 Apr - Beirut, Lebanon — 17 Americans killed (U.S. Embassy bombing) 1983 Oct - Beirut, Lebanon — 241 U.S. military killed (Marine barracks bombing) 1984 Mar - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (CIA chief Buckley kidnapped, later killed) 1985 Jun - Beirut, Lebanon — 1 American killed (TWA Flight 847 hijacking) 1989 Jul - Lebanon — 1 American killed (Col. Higgins murdered) 1995 Apr - Gaza Strip — 1 American killed (car bomb) 1995 Aug - Jerusalem, Israel — 1 American killed, 100+ wounded (bus bombing) 1996 Feb - Jerusalem, Israel — 3 Americans killed, 3 wounded (bus bombing) 1996 Mar - Tel Aviv, Israel — 2 Americans killed (shopping center bombing) 1996 May - West Bank — 1 American killed, 1 wounded 1996 Jun - Khobar, Saudi Arabia — 19 Americans killed, ~500 wounded (Khobar Towers) 1997 Sep - Jerusalem, Israel — 1 American killed, 7 wounded (mall bombing) 1998 Aug - Nairobi/Dar es Salaam — 12 Americans killed, thousands wounded (embassy bombings) 2001 Sep - New York/Washington D.C. — Iran facilitated transit of hijackers (2,977 total killed) 2002 Jan - West Bank — 1 American killed 2002 Jul - Jerusalem, Israel — 5 Americans killed (Hebrew University bombing) 2003 Aug - Jerusalem, Israel — 5 Americans killed (bus bombing) 2003 Oct - Gaza Strip — 3 Americans killed (diplomatic convoy bombing) 2003-2011 - Iraq — 603 U.S. troops killed (Iranian-backed militia IED/EFP campaign) 2011 - Washington D.C. — 0 casualties (assassination plot on Saudi ambassador foiled) 2019 Jun - Strait of Hormuz — 0 casualties (U.S. Global Hawk drone shot down) 2019 Sep - Saudi Arabia — 0 American casualties (Abqaiq oil facility drone strike) 2019 Dec - Baghdad, Iraq — 0 casualties (U.S. Embassy stormed) 2020 Jan - Ain al-Assad, Iraq — 100+ U.S. troops with traumatic brain injuries (ballistic missile strike) 2021-2022 - Iraq/Syria — ongoing U.S. base attacks by Iranian-backed militias 2023 Oct-Nov - Iraq/Syria — 60+ attacks in Iraq, 90+ in Syria; scores of U.S. troops wounded 2024 Jan 28 - Tower 22, Jordan — 3 Americans killed, 34+ wounded (drone strike) 2024 - Red Sea/Yemen — ongoing Houthi drone/missile attacks on U.S. naval assets 2024 Nov - United States — 0 casualties (Trump assassination plot foiled)
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    Would be stronger with a source. Otherwise, it feels on the border of being potential AI slop.
    - 5mo ago
- SanjayMehta 5mo ago
  Oil.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > they aren't even attacking America America never invaded Greenland. Nevertheless, we're facing blowback because we threatened it. Iran has been chanting "death to America" for decades. That isn't casus belli. Not by a long shot. But pretending Iran hasn't been playing the part of belligerent for years is rewriting history.
ceejayoz 5mo ago
Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-hegseth-and-caine-hold-pentagon-briefing-as-trump-threatens-irans-infrastructure https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-hegseth-and... > In a Truth Social post on March 30, Trump warned that the U.S. would obliterate "all of their Electric Generating Plants, Oil Wells and Kharg Island (and possibly all desalinization plants!), which we have purposefully not yet 'touched.'"
- graemep 5mo ago
  It follows Trumps threats to destroy power plants, but predates the threat you quote. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/22/iran-says-destroy-middle-east-infrastructure-us-energy-sites https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/22/iran-says-dest... AFAIK there is no exemption that says it is OK to commit war crimes if the other side does. If attacking power plants and oil production is a war crime, then Russia, Ukraine, and many other countries are guilty of it.
  - embedding-shape 5mo ago
    > AFAIK there is no exemption that says it is OK to commit war crimes if the other side does. Of course not, but I still think the expectation that someone doesn't commit war crimes against you disappears relatively quickly when you're openly and proudly admitting you'll open to violating the rules of war and saying international humanitarian law doesn't matter.
  - nkrisc 5mo ago
    That may be so, but remember that Ukraine is fighting for its very survival, and Iran may be as well.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > Wasn’t that in response to Trump posting that he’d hit theirs? It's Iran. They haven't been following international law since 1979. That isn't an excuse to commit war crimes against them. But Iran really doesn't have any legs to stand on when it comes to complaining about targeting civilian infrastructure–they and their proxies have been doing this for decades.
SanjayMehta 5mo ago
And do you blame them? US behaviour in Iraq, Yugoslavia et al has always been to attack power stations and civilian infrastructure first. The 47th war criminal in chief Trump and his Secretary of War(crimes) is making threats on TV and social media. I would love to see the terrorist regime of Iran collapse but in this scenario, sorry, the US is completely in the wrong.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > do you blame them? Blame is a weird word for geopolitics. I think Iran fucked up hitting those targets pre-emptively. Someone at home had to show their hard-liner boss that they were just as hard-line as he is. So they did something macho. The consequences be damned. The mirroring of dysfunction on each side of this war is uncanny.
srean 5mo ago
US-Israel struck Iran's desalination plants first. Iran's targeting strategy has been a capability restrained tit for tat, for the most part. This is true except for attacks on other gulf states right after US-Israel decapitation strike.
megous 5mo ago
You seem informed. Why did they do so? And what motivated them? Sounds like a thing a state would not want to do to their neighbor out of the blue.