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how they were able to recover from that is beyond me.

dotancohen 6mo ago
They didn't. I haven't bought a Metallica album since the black album. That was a decade earlier, because everything since sucked, but as I got older I thought about maybe expanding my tastes. I avoided Metallica specifically for their disrespect of their fans.
- DaSHacka 6mo ago
  Did they not? Seems like they're still quite popular, and I knew people in HS (for reference, late 2010s to early '20s) that were big into the band. Additionally, looking at Google Trends[0], it seems they peaked in 21st-century online popularity in 2008 and had another notable uptick in 2017. I think a lot of us want the assholes to have suffered real consequences for their behavior, but want is different from did. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F04rcr&hl=en-US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
  - petre 6mo ago
    Yeah, they're popular like Ariana Grande is after the Manchester bombing. But just about everything they released after the Black album is kind of lame. The Budapest tickets sold out pretty fast, but they're still lame regardless if people go to their concerts. Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse. And they're not a cult band like Death or The Sisters of Mercy either.
    - DiskoHexyl 6mo ago
      But they kind of are (a cult band). Most people in the world know Metalica while hardly anyone ever heard any of the Sisters Of Mercy's tracks. Normal people don't care- they just enjoy a ballad or two. I've long since learnt to separate an artist from their art- a fair share of the musicians, actors, directors etc aren't really a decent bunch
      - petre 6mo ago
        Not really, they missed that chance when they released Load and Reload and who knows what they did after that. I got fed up with their foray into commercial music and moved on to prog metal and other more interesting stuff. If they had stopped after the black album or continued to release quality works, then things would be different, but they chose money, whining, lawyers and drunk teenagers as an audience. They became lame and popular, which excludes being a cult band. Cult bands are not very popular in fact, as you have yourself pointed out.
    - justsomehnguy 6mo ago
      >> Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse Hah! COuple of years ago I was sipping beer in some local bar and there were some music video running on a TV. Aged angsty men with an "AMERICA YEAH bald eagle screech" vocals and visuals. "What a lame Metallica copycats" I thought. And then the title card shown up...
    - 10729287 6mo ago
      Who needs Metallica when we have Slayer ?
      - donkeybeer 6mo ago
        Different styles. Slayer is more "history of death metal" thrash, Metallica is more "classic bay area" thrash. Personally I am more into the "history of death metal" type thrash and ambivalent about metallica but I appreciate them as artists.
        mistrial9 6mo ago
        thrash? whatever you feel about Metallica, the songs are carefully written and performed real thrash is a real thing, you know it when you are in it
        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        I am saying I respect both ends of thrash metal even though I have a particular lean to one side of the spectrum.
  - to11mtm 6mo ago
    I think they've got some ineffable qualities, and frankly there's lots of other genres where people might decide to give them a listen... Which is really just a roundabout way of saying I think Apocalyptica did a lot to help refresh them in the modern zeitgeist (Yes I know it was older, but I remember youtube videos causing it to enter at least my and other's conscious space...)
  - larodi 6mo ago
    Yeah, people with botox pumped lips, pink tops, and sporty fancy wear. Basically the cream of the commercial listener who understands exactly zero of the musical substance, but is there, because ads were aired on TikTok. Faith is not without a sense of humor. Btw, perhaps you may not know that there's this crossover looks now - a mix of black-metal and hiphop hoodies, and all the KPop adopted this writing for their pikachu songs.
    - walletdrainer 6mo ago
      >people with botox pumped lips Please don’t use Botox for lip fillers, you will almost certainly die or wish you had.
- brunoborges 6mo ago
  You clearly haven't watched Stranger Things
  - allarm 6mo ago
    I have and deeply regret the wasted time.
- donkeybeer 6mo ago
  I appreciate Metallica but I don't know whats so special about them, that style of thrash metal was already being done on a much more advanced level by bands like Razor at that time, so if you had any personal disagreements with Metallica it seems historically it would have been quite easy to drop them.
  - mlrtime 6mo ago
    Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning are (IMO) classic full albums you listen cover to cover. Doesn't mean they aren't assholes but I'll still listen to them any time.
    - donkeybeer 6mo ago
      As I said I don't mind them, personally they are not in my list of favorite thrash bands, but they are also not in my list of sucky bands, they are competent and accomplished musicians. I just felt anyone shouldn't have felt much emotionality ditching Metallica for whatever reasons as at that time other bands were already playing far more advanced thrash metal.
    - K0balt 6mo ago
      I enjoy them ironically by playing the MP3’s have of their songs that I definitely only ever got from ripping physical media that I definitely did not pirate because fuck Metallica lol.
iririririr 6mo ago
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- budsniffer95o 6mo ago
  Why are all forums inundated with this ridiculous nonsense? They are "MAGA"? How so? Are people who follow MAGA typically anti-piracy or something? Bizarre.
  - garyfirestorm 6mo ago
    The ideology has an inherent toxicity to it, along with a self own, doubling down on mistakes that would harm you and the others in longer run, embracing silly ideas and a general disregard for niceties. Would have been nice if they didn’t hurt their own fans like that could be simply phrased as ‘being MAGA’
  - throw10920 6mo ago
    It [calling anything you don't like "maga"] is political in-group signalling of a tribal ideology that also serves the dual purpose of destroying the meaning of language. Categorically inappropriate for HN - flag it and move on.
    - amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
      Similar to the way people use "woke".
      - throw10920 6mo ago
        Yup, exactly.
      - fc417fc802 6mo ago
        Quite similar. I guess serving largely the same purpose that "alt-right" used to. However it's important to note that "woke" at least has legitimate (if politically contentious) meaning outside of its broad misuse as a sort of slur. The other two terms don't have that AFAIK. The case of "maga" specifically strikes me as a spiteful attempt to misappropriate the descriptor (vaguely similar to winnie the pooh) whereas the rise of the other two seems organic.
Arubis 6mo ago
Most of their fans didn't know and probably still don't. In my admittedly limited exposure (N=3 or 4), folks I know that were informed on Metallica's behavior in the Napster age that have since purchased anything from Metallica is zero.

They didn't. I haven't bought a Metallica album since the black album. That was a decade earlier, because everything since sucked, but as I got older I thought about maybe expanding my tastes. I avoided Metallica specifically for their disrespect of their fans.

DaSHacka 6mo ago
Did they not? Seems like they're still quite popular, and I knew people in HS (for reference, late 2010s to early '20s) that were big into the band. Additionally, looking at Google Trends[0], it seems they peaked in 21st-century online popularity in 2008 and had another notable uptick in 2017. I think a lot of us want the assholes to have suffered real consequences for their behavior, but want is different from did. [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F04rcr&hl=en-US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
- petre 6mo ago
  Yeah, they're popular like Ariana Grande is after the Manchester bombing. But just about everything they released after the Black album is kind of lame. The Budapest tickets sold out pretty fast, but they're still lame regardless if people go to their concerts. Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse. And they're not a cult band like Death or The Sisters of Mercy either.
  - DiskoHexyl 6mo ago
    But they kind of are (a cult band). Most people in the world know Metalica while hardly anyone ever heard any of the Sisters Of Mercy's tracks. Normal people don't care- they just enjoy a ballad or two. I've long since learnt to separate an artist from their art- a fair share of the musicians, actors, directors etc aren't really a decent bunch
    - petre 6mo ago
      Not really, they missed that chance when they released Load and Reload and who knows what they did after that. I got fed up with their foray into commercial music and moved on to prog metal and other more interesting stuff. If they had stopped after the black album or continued to release quality works, then things would be different, but they chose money, whining, lawyers and drunk teenagers as an audience. They became lame and popular, which excludes being a cult band. Cult bands are not very popular in fact, as you have yourself pointed out.
  - justsomehnguy 6mo ago
    >> Compared to Depeche Mode and other bands that only get better with age, Metallica just play the same old songs or worse Hah! COuple of years ago I was sipping beer in some local bar and there were some music video running on a TV. Aged angsty men with an "AMERICA YEAH bald eagle screech" vocals and visuals. "What a lame Metallica copycats" I thought. And then the title card shown up...
  - 10729287 6mo ago
    Who needs Metallica when we have Slayer ?
    - donkeybeer 6mo ago
      Different styles. Slayer is more "history of death metal" thrash, Metallica is more "classic bay area" thrash. Personally I am more into the "history of death metal" type thrash and ambivalent about metallica but I appreciate them as artists.
      - mistrial9 6mo ago
        thrash? whatever you feel about Metallica, the songs are carefully written and performed real thrash is a real thing, you know it when you are in it
        donkeybeer 6mo ago
        I am saying I respect both ends of thrash metal even though I have a particular lean to one side of the spectrum.
- to11mtm 6mo ago
  I think they've got some ineffable qualities, and frankly there's lots of other genres where people might decide to give them a listen... Which is really just a roundabout way of saying I think Apocalyptica did a lot to help refresh them in the modern zeitgeist (Yes I know it was older, but I remember youtube videos causing it to enter at least my and other's conscious space...)
- larodi 6mo ago
  Yeah, people with botox pumped lips, pink tops, and sporty fancy wear. Basically the cream of the commercial listener who understands exactly zero of the musical substance, but is there, because ads were aired on TikTok. Faith is not without a sense of humor. Btw, perhaps you may not know that there's this crossover looks now - a mix of black-metal and hiphop hoodies, and all the KPop adopted this writing for their pikachu songs.
  - walletdrainer 6mo ago
    >people with botox pumped lips Please don’t use Botox for lip fillers, you will almost certainly die or wish you had.
brunoborges 6mo ago
You clearly haven't watched Stranger Things
- allarm 6mo ago
  I have and deeply regret the wasted time.
donkeybeer 6mo ago
I appreciate Metallica but I don't know whats so special about them, that style of thrash metal was already being done on a much more advanced level by bands like Razor at that time, so if you had any personal disagreements with Metallica it seems historically it would have been quite easy to drop them.
- mlrtime 6mo ago
  Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning are (IMO) classic full albums you listen cover to cover. Doesn't mean they aren't assholes but I'll still listen to them any time.
  - donkeybeer 6mo ago
    As I said I don't mind them, personally they are not in my list of favorite thrash bands, but they are also not in my list of sucky bands, they are competent and accomplished musicians. I just felt anyone shouldn't have felt much emotionality ditching Metallica for whatever reasons as at that time other bands were already playing far more advanced thrash metal.
  - K0balt 6mo ago
    I enjoy them ironically by playing the MP3’s have of their songs that I definitely only ever got from ripping physical media that I definitely did not pirate because fuck Metallica lol.

iririririr 6mo ago

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budsniffer95o 6mo ago
Why are all forums inundated with this ridiculous nonsense? They are "MAGA"? How so? Are people who follow MAGA typically anti-piracy or something? Bizarre.
- garyfirestorm 6mo ago
  The ideology has an inherent toxicity to it, along with a self own, doubling down on mistakes that would harm you and the others in longer run, embracing silly ideas and a general disregard for niceties. Would have been nice if they didn’t hurt their own fans like that could be simply phrased as ‘being MAGA’
- throw10920 6mo ago
  It [calling anything you don't like "maga"] is political in-group signalling of a tribal ideology that also serves the dual purpose of destroying the meaning of language. Categorically inappropriate for HN - flag it and move on.
  - amanaplanacanal 6mo ago
    Similar to the way people use "woke".
    - throw10920 6mo ago
      Yup, exactly.
    - fc417fc802 6mo ago
      Quite similar. I guess serving largely the same purpose that "alt-right" used to. However it's important to note that "woke" at least has legitimate (if politically contentious) meaning outside of its broad misuse as a sort of slur. The other two terms don't have that AFAIK. The case of "maga" specifically strikes me as a spiteful attempt to misappropriate the descriptor (vaguely similar to winnie the pooh) whereas the rise of the other two seems organic.

Arubis 6mo ago

Most of their fans didn't know and probably still don't. In my admittedly limited exposure (N=3 or 4), folks I know that were informed on Metallica's behavior in the Napster age that have since purchased anything from Metallica is zero.