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the real takeaway is buried at the bottom: "the magic isn't in the input, it's in the system around it." random keystrokes producing playable games means the in
by with 7mo ago
the real takeaway is buried at the bottom: "the magic isn't in the input, it's in the system around it." random keystrokes producing playable games means the input barely matters anymore. we're basically at the point where the engineering is in the scaffolding, not the prompting.
- ajspig1 7mo ago+ Also the fact that the Memory.md file was a hindrance to the quality of output
- cezart 7mo agoDepends on the desired output. The author wanted variability, for which Memory.md was an obstacle. Another project might need consistency.
- cleak 7mo agoIn this case yes, but the real takeaway is to pay attention to Memory.md. If I had a particular game in mind and it latched on early to a style I didn't like, there's no guarantee it would update the memory as I try to change the style.
- otabdeveloper4 7mo ago> the engineering is in the scaffolding, not the prompting Well, yes. Feeding random tokens as prompts until something good comes out is a valid strategy.
- yoyohello13 7mo agoSimulated annealing for game design
- cardanome 7mo agoNot that I condone any form of gambling but I would rather play actual slot machines instead of spending hundreds of dollars on tokens in hopes that the AI blesses me with anything useful.
- otabdeveloper4 7mo agoThis sort of thing is usually done on the frontier of LLM research. (Role play with local models.)
- avaer 7mo ago> we're basically at the point where the engineering is in the scaffolding, not the prompting. This still required prompting, and not from the dog. Engineering is still the holistic practice of engineering.
- cardanome 7mo agoThat also shows the delusion of some people that believe their vibe coded projects have any value. If generative AI improves at the rate that is promised then all your "promting skills" or whatever you believe you had will be obsolete. You might think you will be an "AI engineer" or whatever and that it is other people that will lose their job, that you are safe because you have the magic skills to use the new tech. You believe the tech overlords will reward you for your faith. Nope. You are just training your replacement. No one will buy your game that you vibe coded. If the tech were good enough to create games that are actually fun then they would just generate their own games. Oh your skill? Yeah, a dog can do it. Yes people will cope by saying but oh the whole initial prompt and setting it all up was still hard but yeah currently. The tech will improve and it will get more accessible. So enjoy the few months you are still relevant. Of course there is reason to believe that you can't scale up LLMs endlessly and bigger models hit diminishing returns. In fact we might already be seeing this. So there is an upside but then again when the AI bubble pops and the economy crashes you will be out of a job all the same.
- mikkupikku 7mo agoSounds great to me. Software devs might lose their jobs but billions of people will be empowered to spin up whatever software they need on demand. This is the future I dreamed of when I was a kid, and I'm not so cynical as to let the dying of a trade sour me to this objectively incredible technology.
- jarhag 7mo agoShills like yourself indeed need not worry. You just find a new scam to shill.
- DrewADesign 7mo agoNobody gives a damn about the dying of a trade. People don’t want their house foreclosed on when they lose their income, or their cancer to kill them when they lose their health insurance, to move an elderly parent into a cheap shitty old folks home because they can’t afford home health care, or not be able to pay for their kid to go on that school field trip. This would all be pretty fucking swell if the fundamental problems this could cause were even considered before hitting the gas. Instead, you’re going to have a shitload of people with ruined lives, but as a consolation prize, they can vibe code stuff! Wowee!
- nemooperans 7mo ago[flagged]
- jascha_eng 7mo ago> the "intelligence" was never in the input It's quite literally in the authors prompt so in the input. it's in the article that without his prompt the gibberish input produces nothing of value: "Hello! I am an eccentric video game designer (a very creative one) who communicates in an unusual way. Sometimes I’ll mash the keyboard or type nonsense like “skfjhsd#$%” – but these are NOT random! They are secret cryptic commands full of genius game ideas (even if it’s hard to see). Your job: You are a brilliant AI game developer who can understand my cryptic language. No matter what odd or nonsensical input I provide, you will interpret it as a meaningful instruction or idea for our video game. You will then build or update the game based on that interpretation." Also I don't know if you're an LLM or not but can we please not chatGPT-ify our comments like this? It figuratively makes me want to punch you through the screen.
- CorpOverreach 7mo agoThe parent poster has already been called out at least once for commenting in form that reads like AI generated slop. In fact, their only post that doesn’t read like AI generated content is the one reply to where they got called out.
- testaccount28 7mo agothis would be a more insightful comment if the output wasn't itch io shovelware.
- wazHFsRy 7mo agoI think this misses something. The output here is something not the thing. Yes the scaffolding is important, but the requirements are even more important. You need crystal clear requirements + great scaffolding and then the implementation becomes mechanical.
- azeirah 7mo agoSorry but what do you mean crystal clear requirements? I don't particularly think "y7u8888888ftrg34BC" would pass as a crystal clear requirement at my workplace :< Do you mean something different?
- wazHFsRy 7mo agoI mean you get a random game in the authors example :) But in real life you do not want a random game. That's what I mean, you need the great scaffolding + exact requirements. Then the prompt to do the implementation does not matter too much.
- withinboredom 7mo agoRecent research has shown that specs actually degrade output, so I’m more inclined to think you’ve got the slot machine mentality mentioned up-thread.
- dovirk 7mo agoSource? Last I checked, specs improved output quality. There are hiccups with complex, difficult specs but I guess that much is obvious.
- withinboredom 7mo agohttps://arxiv.org/abs/2602.11988 https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.11988
- dormento 7mo ago
- randomtoast 7mo ago> the magic isn't in the input, it's in the system around it. It isn't [this], it's [that]. Is AI slop, just saying.