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Memory. I have built up so many scripts and crons and integrated little programs and memories with open claw it would be difficult to migrate to some other syst

Memory. I have built up so many scripts and crons and integrated little programs and memories with open claw it would be difficult to migrate to some other system. System of record and all.

blackoil 7mo ago
Considering you have built them all in last few weeks, it should not be that difficult and no reason other systems won't reuse same.
- outofpaper 7mo ago
  Exactly! The whole point of personal agents is that the data is yours and it's where you want it not in someone's cloud. What harness you use to work with this should be a matter of preference and not one of lock in.
  - Gareth321 7mo ago
    The future will be ownership of our memories and data. AI companies will fight tooth and nail to keep that data walled in and impossible to export.
    - k4rli 7mo ago
      Since it's already not walled-in in most cases I don't see this happening very effectively. Using openrouter+kilocode I can simply switch between different providers' models and not miss out on anything.
    - ass22 7mo ago
      If regulators force the capability of exporting to exist, what ya gonna do? I continue to find it amusing that people really think corporates are really holding power. No - they are holding power granted to them by the government of the state. Remind me why Zuck et al had to kiss the ring.
      - bigyabai 7mo ago
        Very often, the regulators don't. Here in the US, half the country would refinance their mortgage for iMessage interoperability... if it were possible. Any time regulators reach for the "stop monopoly" button, Tim Cook screeches like a rhesus monkey and drops a press release about how many terrorists Apple stops. If lobbying was illegal then you might have a point here, but alas.
    - Breza 7mo ago
      I agree. This is why I think Google has the long term advantage. They already have so much data. I can ask Gemini a question and it'll reference an email I sent a month ago.
      - Gareth321 7mo ago
        It's an edge but I think it's going to become hard to gate data as they do. Soon our AI assistants will see and hear everything we see and hear in real-time. All of that will be ingested somewhere. Google can't prevent us from recording the things we see and hear. Perhaps the competitive moat of the future will be time critical access to data. Google likely gets new data faster than everyone else, and they could use this time arbitrage in products like news, finance, research, etc.
dtauzell 7mo ago
How hard do you think it would be for ai to generate all those for some alternative?
- ryanmcgarvey 7mo ago
  AI didn't do the work, I did. Building up context is the part we actually have to put work into. I'm not saying it would be impossible, but boy would it be annoying to have to constantly reach a new assistant about your whole life.
  - margalabargala 7mo ago
    "Here's my corpus of records from OpenClaw. Please parse it and organize into your own memories" boom done
  - Aurornis 7mo ago
    Why are you assuming you'd have to do the work yourself? This is a perfect use case for a new agent to query the old agent and get the details. You could have OpenClaw summarize and export them into a format that the new one wants. Maybe the new agents will be designed to be compatible with OpenClaw's style. There is no reason to believe that you're locked in to something.
sockaddr 7mo ago
Sorry but for $5 in credits you can have an agent port over all your bullshit to the next fad. I'll have one port over all my bullshit when the time comes too.
la64710 7mo ago
You can use OpenClaw to migrate these scripts off OpenClaw.
Topfi 7mo ago
Unless I am mistaken, that is all plain old markdown, arguably the easiest to migrate format for such data there can possible be. Heck, that was half the pitch behind Obsidian, even if the project someday ended, markdown would remain. And switching between Obsidian and e.g. Logseq shows the ease of doing so.
karn97 7mo ago
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philipallstar 7mo ago
This effect isn't that important while the customer base is growing fast.
beardedwizard 7mo ago
Bring your system to my records. The irony of systems of record is that if there is more than one, there are effectively none. Just data stuck in silos waiting for compute.
Aurornis 7mo ago
There will definitely be migration tools. The new agents might have a feature to query your old agents for a migration. That said, I find it really hard to believe that you've generated so much work in the past few weeks since OpenClaw launched that you could never migrate to something else. It hasn't been that long.
gmerc 7mo ago
Have you heard about this thing called AI coding agent....

Memory. I have built up so many scripts and crons and integrated little programs and memories with open claw it would be difficult to migrate to some other system. System of record and all.

blackoil 7mo ago

Considering you have built them all in last few weeks, it should not be that difficult and no reason other systems won't reuse same.

outofpaper 7mo ago
Exactly! The whole point of personal agents is that the data is yours and it's where you want it not in someone's cloud. What harness you use to work with this should be a matter of preference and not one of lock in.
- Gareth321 7mo ago
  The future will be ownership of our memories and data. AI companies will fight tooth and nail to keep that data walled in and impossible to export.
  - k4rli 7mo ago
    Since it's already not walled-in in most cases I don't see this happening very effectively. Using openrouter+kilocode I can simply switch between different providers' models and not miss out on anything.
  - ass22 7mo ago
    If regulators force the capability of exporting to exist, what ya gonna do? I continue to find it amusing that people really think corporates are really holding power. No - they are holding power granted to them by the government of the state. Remind me why Zuck et al had to kiss the ring.
    - bigyabai 7mo ago
      Very often, the regulators don't. Here in the US, half the country would refinance their mortgage for iMessage interoperability... if it were possible. Any time regulators reach for the "stop monopoly" button, Tim Cook screeches like a rhesus monkey and drops a press release about how many terrorists Apple stops. If lobbying was illegal then you might have a point here, but alas.
  - Breza 7mo ago
    I agree. This is why I think Google has the long term advantage. They already have so much data. I can ask Gemini a question and it'll reference an email I sent a month ago.
    - Gareth321 7mo ago
      It's an edge but I think it's going to become hard to gate data as they do. Soon our AI assistants will see and hear everything we see and hear in real-time. All of that will be ingested somewhere. Google can't prevent us from recording the things we see and hear. Perhaps the competitive moat of the future will be time critical access to data. Google likely gets new data faster than everyone else, and they could use this time arbitrage in products like news, finance, research, etc.

dtauzell 7mo ago

How hard do you think it would be for ai to generate all those for some alternative?

ryanmcgarvey 7mo ago
AI didn't do the work, I did. Building up context is the part we actually have to put work into. I'm not saying it would be impossible, but boy would it be annoying to have to constantly reach a new assistant about your whole life.
- margalabargala 7mo ago
  "Here's my corpus of records from OpenClaw. Please parse it and organize into your own memories" boom done
- Aurornis 7mo ago
  Why are you assuming you'd have to do the work yourself? This is a perfect use case for a new agent to query the old agent and get the details. You could have OpenClaw summarize and export them into a format that the new one wants. Maybe the new agents will be designed to be compatible with OpenClaw's style. There is no reason to believe that you're locked in to something.

sockaddr 7mo ago

Sorry but for $5 in credits you can have an agent port over all your bullshit to the next fad. I'll have one port over all my bullshit when the time comes too.

la64710 7mo ago

You can use OpenClaw to migrate these scripts off OpenClaw.

Topfi 7mo ago

Unless I am mistaken, that is all plain old markdown, arguably the easiest to migrate format for such data there can possible be. Heck, that was half the pitch behind Obsidian, even if the project someday ended, markdown would remain. And switching between Obsidian and e.g. Logseq shows the ease of doing so.

karn97 7mo ago

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philipallstar 7mo ago

This effect isn't that important while the customer base is growing fast.

beardedwizard 7mo ago

Bring your system to my records. The irony of systems of record is that if there is more than one, there are effectively none. Just data stuck in silos waiting for compute.

Aurornis 7mo ago

There will definitely be migration tools. The new agents might have a feature to query your old agents for a migration. That said, I find it really hard to believe that you've generated so much work in the past few weeks since OpenClaw launched that you could never migrate to something else. It hasn't been that long.

gmerc 7mo ago

Have you heard about this thing called AI coding agent....