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Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it the

by deadeye 7mo ago

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

lvl155 7mo ago
Is it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.
- Aurornis 7mo ago
  > You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. OpenClaw and Claude Code aren't solving the same problems. OpenClaw was about having a sandbox, connecting it to a messenger channel, and letting it run wild with tools you gave it.
  - lvl155 7mo ago
    That’s what CC does…I don’t need a messenger wrapper to do those things.
  - koolala 7mo ago
    A messenger and ssh'ing into Claude Code from your phone aren't that much different.
    - theturtletalks 7mo ago
      The real magic is heartbeat which is essentially cron on steroids. The real difference between running Claude Code in the terminal and OpenClaw is that the agent is actually intuitive and self-driven. People would wake up to their agent having built something cool the night before or automate their workflow without even asking for it.
      - koolala 7mo ago
        Is the idea it can't handle 24hr+ tasks? I know Codex can do heartbeat but I haven't tested the limits of its heart.
    - Aurornis 7mo ago
      I’m not an OpenClaw user but it’s obvious that OpenClaw was very different than that. OpenClaw was about having the agent operate autonomously, including initiating its own actions and deciding what to do. Claude Code was about waiting for instructions and presenting results. “Just SSH into Claude Code” is like the famous HN comment that didn’t understand why anyone was interested in DropBox because you could do backups with shell scripts.
      - koolala 7mo ago
        You have used Claude though? Or codex or antigrav? backups seem different
madihaa 7mo ago
Major producers like OpenAI optimize for safety and brand reputation avoiding backlash. Open source projects optimize for raw capability and friction less experimentation. It is risky yes, but it allows for rapid innovation that strictly aligned models can't offer.

by deadeye 7mo ago

Openclaw did what no major model producer would do. Release insanly insecure software that can do whatever it wants on your machine. If openai had done it themselves, immediate backlash.

lvl155 7mo ago

Is it? You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. People were using CC outside of development scope for awhile.

Aurornis 7mo ago
> You basically got 95% of the way there with Claude Code inside of a container. OpenClaw and Claude Code aren't solving the same problems. OpenClaw was about having a sandbox, connecting it to a messenger channel, and letting it run wild with tools you gave it.
- lvl155 7mo ago
  That’s what CC does…I don’t need a messenger wrapper to do those things.
- koolala 7mo ago
  A messenger and ssh'ing into Claude Code from your phone aren't that much different.
  - theturtletalks 7mo ago
    The real magic is heartbeat which is essentially cron on steroids. The real difference between running Claude Code in the terminal and OpenClaw is that the agent is actually intuitive and self-driven. People would wake up to their agent having built something cool the night before or automate their workflow without even asking for it.
    - koolala 7mo ago
      Is the idea it can't handle 24hr+ tasks? I know Codex can do heartbeat but I haven't tested the limits of its heart.
  - Aurornis 7mo ago
    I’m not an OpenClaw user but it’s obvious that OpenClaw was very different than that. OpenClaw was about having the agent operate autonomously, including initiating its own actions and deciding what to do. Claude Code was about waiting for instructions and presenting results. “Just SSH into Claude Code” is like the famous HN comment that didn’t understand why anyone was interested in DropBox because you could do backups with shell scripts.
    - koolala 7mo ago
      You have used Claude though? Or codex or antigrav? backups seem different

madihaa 7mo ago

Major producers like OpenAI optimize for safety and brand reputation avoiding backlash. Open source projects optimize for raw capability and friction less experimentation. It is risky yes, but it allows for rapid innovation that strictly aligned models can't offer.