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A Pokémon of a Different Color

137 points by Risse 7mo ago

gyomu 7mo ago
Reminds me of when the internet collectively realized that the Sugimori watercolors for the original 251 Pokémon had been scanned and reproduced with the completely wrong colors in western media for over 20 years: https://kotaku.com/pokemon-ken-sugimori-original-art-red-blue-gold-silver-1850352781 https://kotaku.com/pokemon-ken-sugimori-original-art-red-blu...
- charcircuit 7mo ago
  >How did the low-quality Pokémon scans circulate for so long? Japanese people take copyright more seriously which would explain why there would be literal interest in creating illegal scans of them.
- deleted 7mo ago
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- NetOpWibby 7mo ago
  WHAT WOW
  - sndkdkdkdk 7mo ago
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MPSimmons 7mo ago
I am eternally grateful to media people who care a lot about this stuff. I know that it has an impact on my life that I’m not aware of, but I can’t bring myself to dive into this. I am glad that there are people who are into it, though.
- efilife 7mo ago
  > I know that it has an impact on my life that I’m not aware of I'm really skeptical about this. Maybe someone who knows more about this could say a bit more about it?
throwup238 7mo ago
Whats the deal with this artwork? I got into Pokemon as a kid in the late 90s* including all the Gameboy games through Sapphire/Ruby and I don’t remember any of this washed out art (like the Ditto example, it’s always been pink!). Did I just miss this phenomenon entirely because I grew up right before it became big on the internet? * I think I’ve still got a VHS tape of the promo material Nintendo used to originally introduce Pokemon to the US.
- JuniperMesos 7mo ago
  I definitely remember seeing Gen1 pokemon art as a kid that seemed, not washed out exactly but a bit less saturated compared to, say, the Pokémon anime that aired on American TV. To the extent I thought about this, I guess I assumed that when the original creators of Pokemon in Japan were first working on it (I doubt I had heard the name Tajiri Satoshi at that point in my life), they were doing hand-drawn experimental art, still trying to get the final design correct.
- slavik81 7mo ago
  It was in the manual and the Player's Guide. You can find ditto on page 47 of the latter. https://www.scribd.com/document/586237858/Pokemon-Red-Version-Manual https://www.scribd.com/document/586237858/Pokemon-Red-Versio... https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1998PokemonRedBlue/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1998PokemonRedBlue/...
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29athrowaway 7mo ago
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- falsaberN1 7mo ago
  Maybe people are paying attention to those things because there's a need to disconnect from the real world and its problems for a while.
  - edhelas 7mo ago
    The issue is that we might have disconnected from the real world and its problem for a few decades already.
    - soulofmischief 7mo ago
      You're right! Therefore society should collectively stop having fun, playing games and propagating culture, until all of our problems are dealt with. I bet that will go just swimmingly.
    - jbm 7mo ago
      As a side note, this is actually akin to my favourite Slashdot troll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/Slashdot_Trolling_Phenomena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/Slashdot_Trolli... > The Get Some PRIORITIES! troll began to appear after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. A classic offtopic troll, it employs highly hyperbolic language to criticize the other posters and Slashdot in general for discussing trivialities like new gadgets or changes in U.S. copyright law in the wake of such a horrific event. ([0]). [0] https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=114139&cid=9670928 https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=114139&cid=967092...
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stevekemp 7mo ago
I got a Pikachu tattoo a few years ago, and after agreeing the design/placement the artist held up a series of coloured inks and made me do a binary-search, saying "This one, or that one?" and I think there were about six to choose from. To me it was obvious there was one correct colour for Pikachu to be, she approved of my choice and said "Ahh yes the original design" which puzzled me at the time, but I guess there a nuances to the shades and versions of characters like this, which evolve over time (pun intended). As for me? Tattoos fade over time so the colour is different than it used to be, but everyone who looks at it knows exactly what it should be so that's fine.
- ctxc 7mo ago
  Interesting choice, why Pikachu? I always feel like it's too mainstream, I like the uncommon ones more
  - orlp 7mo ago
    Why do you find it in interesting that someone chose something mainstream? Isn't that the definition of mainstream, that it's a common choice?
    - ctxc 7mo ago
      Anecdotally, I'm a fan and generally pick the rarer ones. Eg I had a pair of socks and a few stickers made for my kid which had rarer pokemon. If OP got a tattoo of Pikachu, it was interesting to me that he picked the most mainstream pokemon (I assumed he was a huge fan) But from the response, my sample of 1 assumption checks out: "When I was planning it was obvious there'd be a Pokémon due to his (continuing) interest in those and to me as a non-fan that's the most immediately-recognizable one."
  - stevekemp 7mo ago
    I have a child, and I got a sleeve made up of various things that he was obsessed by over the years. So there's a Moomin character (Little My) because we're in Finland and he loves them, there's Tom & Jerry because he loved those cartoons, a new-life mushroom from the years we spent together playing Super Mario Bros on the Nintendo classic. But rather than list all the parts, you can see where this is going now, there's also Pokémon because he was obsessed with playing with the cards, memorizing all the evolution chains and stats/types. When I was planning it was obvious there'd be a Pokémon due to his (continuing) interest in those and to me as a non-fan that's the most immediately-recognizable one. Plus the colour works well with the colour-choices made in the other pieces. Although ironically the part I like best is the "naked" LEGO minifig. I like to colour him in with felt-tip pens every now and again, or draw a facial expression on him to reflect my mood when bored in meetings.
riffraff 7mo ago
Interesting article! As an aside I just had a realization: how can this typical representations of color spaces (larger blob of perceptible color and the smaller polygon of the color space) work? Isn't the image encoded in one of those color spaces? That should make the perceptible-but-not-in-space colors impossible to represent, shouldn't it?
- amoshebb 7mo ago
  The gradient in blob is the same as the one in the polygon, it’s just there as art to hint at what’s missing
cluckindan 7mo ago
Wasn’t this posted like three days ago? The OP says ”7 hours ago”. I remember seeing most of these comments too, even though they all seem to have been posted just a few hours ago. The posters’ own comment lists seem to agree that the comments were posted three days ago.
- fredoralive 7mo ago
  Hacker News does weird stuff to post / comment timestamps if a post is resurrected from the second chance pool. Makes both the post and comment look new even though they’re not. Not sure why, it’s kind misleading, I guess they want to hide the necromancy for some reason.
devanteu 7mo ago
So which is the shiny one?
- cryzinger 7mo ago
  Ha, I thought it was amusing that the color space/profile mystery involves Pikachu of all mons, since Pikachu is famously part of the "shiny palette that's nearly indistinguishable from its regular palette" club :)

137 points by Risse 7mo ago

gyomu 7mo ago

Reminds me of when the internet collectively realized that the Sugimori watercolors for the original 251 Pokémon had been scanned and reproduced with the completely wrong colors in western media for over 20 years: https://kotaku.com/pokemon-ken-sugimori-original-art-red-blue-gold-silver-1850352781 https://kotaku.com/pokemon-ken-sugimori-original-art-red-blu...

charcircuit 7mo ago
>How did the low-quality Pokémon scans circulate for so long? Japanese people take copyright more seriously which would explain why there would be literal interest in creating illegal scans of them.
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NetOpWibby 7mo ago
WHAT WOW
- sndkdkdkdk 7mo ago
  [flagged]

MPSimmons 7mo ago

I am eternally grateful to media people who care a lot about this stuff. I know that it has an impact on my life that I’m not aware of, but I can’t bring myself to dive into this. I am glad that there are people who are into it, though.

efilife 7mo ago
> I know that it has an impact on my life that I’m not aware of I'm really skeptical about this. Maybe someone who knows more about this could say a bit more about it?

throwup238 7mo ago

Whats the deal with this artwork? I got into Pokemon as a kid in the late 90s* including all the Gameboy games through Sapphire/Ruby and I don’t remember any of this washed out art (like the Ditto example, it’s always been pink!). Did I just miss this phenomenon entirely because I grew up right before it became big on the internet? * I think I’ve still got a VHS tape of the promo material Nintendo used to originally introduce Pokemon to the US.

JuniperMesos 7mo ago
I definitely remember seeing Gen1 pokemon art as a kid that seemed, not washed out exactly but a bit less saturated compared to, say, the Pokémon anime that aired on American TV. To the extent I thought about this, I guess I assumed that when the original creators of Pokemon in Japan were first working on it (I doubt I had heard the name Tajiri Satoshi at that point in my life), they were doing hand-drawn experimental art, still trying to get the final design correct.
slavik81 7mo ago
It was in the manual and the Player's Guide. You can find ditto on page 47 of the latter. https://www.scribd.com/document/586237858/Pokemon-Red-Version-Manual https://www.scribd.com/document/586237858/Pokemon-Red-Versio... https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1998PokemonRedBlue/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/NintendoPower1998PokemonRedBlue/...

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29athrowaway 7mo ago

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falsaberN1 7mo ago
Maybe people are paying attention to those things because there's a need to disconnect from the real world and its problems for a while.
- edhelas 7mo ago
  The issue is that we might have disconnected from the real world and its problem for a few decades already.
  - soulofmischief 7mo ago
    You're right! Therefore society should collectively stop having fun, playing games and propagating culture, until all of our problems are dealt with. I bet that will go just swimmingly.
  - jbm 7mo ago
    As a side note, this is actually akin to my favourite Slashdot troll. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/Slashdot_Trolling_Phenomena https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kadin2048/Slashdot_Trolli... > The Get Some PRIORITIES! troll began to appear after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. A classic offtopic troll, it employs highly hyperbolic language to criticize the other posters and Slashdot in general for discussing trivialities like new gadgets or changes in U.S. copyright law in the wake of such a horrific event. ([0]). [0] https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=114139&cid=9670928 https://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=114139&cid=967092...
- deleted 7mo ago
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stevekemp 7mo ago

I got a Pikachu tattoo a few years ago, and after agreeing the design/placement the artist held up a series of coloured inks and made me do a binary-search, saying "This one, or that one?" and I think there were about six to choose from. To me it was obvious there was one correct colour for Pikachu to be, she approved of my choice and said "Ahh yes the original design" which puzzled me at the time, but I guess there a nuances to the shades and versions of characters like this, which evolve over time (pun intended). As for me? Tattoos fade over time so the colour is different than it used to be, but everyone who looks at it knows exactly what it should be so that's fine.

ctxc 7mo ago
Interesting choice, why Pikachu? I always feel like it's too mainstream, I like the uncommon ones more
- orlp 7mo ago
  Why do you find it in interesting that someone chose something mainstream? Isn't that the definition of mainstream, that it's a common choice?
  - ctxc 7mo ago
    Anecdotally, I'm a fan and generally pick the rarer ones. Eg I had a pair of socks and a few stickers made for my kid which had rarer pokemon. If OP got a tattoo of Pikachu, it was interesting to me that he picked the most mainstream pokemon (I assumed he was a huge fan) But from the response, my sample of 1 assumption checks out: "When I was planning it was obvious there'd be a Pokémon due to his (continuing) interest in those and to me as a non-fan that's the most immediately-recognizable one."
- stevekemp 7mo ago
  I have a child, and I got a sleeve made up of various things that he was obsessed by over the years. So there's a Moomin character (Little My) because we're in Finland and he loves them, there's Tom & Jerry because he loved those cartoons, a new-life mushroom from the years we spent together playing Super Mario Bros on the Nintendo classic. But rather than list all the parts, you can see where this is going now, there's also Pokémon because he was obsessed with playing with the cards, memorizing all the evolution chains and stats/types. When I was planning it was obvious there'd be a Pokémon due to his (continuing) interest in those and to me as a non-fan that's the most immediately-recognizable one. Plus the colour works well with the colour-choices made in the other pieces. Although ironically the part I like best is the "naked" LEGO minifig. I like to colour him in with felt-tip pens every now and again, or draw a facial expression on him to reflect my mood when bored in meetings.

riffraff 7mo ago

Interesting article! As an aside I just had a realization: how can this typical representations of color spaces (larger blob of perceptible color and the smaller polygon of the color space) work? Isn't the image encoded in one of those color spaces? That should make the perceptible-but-not-in-space colors impossible to represent, shouldn't it?

amoshebb 7mo ago
The gradient in blob is the same as the one in the polygon, it’s just there as art to hint at what’s missing

cluckindan 7mo ago

Wasn’t this posted like three days ago? The OP says ”7 hours ago”. I remember seeing most of these comments too, even though they all seem to have been posted just a few hours ago. The posters’ own comment lists seem to agree that the comments were posted three days ago.

fredoralive 7mo ago
Hacker News does weird stuff to post / comment timestamps if a post is resurrected from the second chance pool. Makes both the post and comment look new even though they’re not. Not sure why, it’s kind misleading, I guess they want to hide the necromancy for some reason.

devanteu 7mo ago

So which is the shiny one?

cryzinger 7mo ago
Ha, I thought it was amusing that the color space/profile mystery involves Pikachu of all mons, since Pikachu is famously part of the "shiny palette that's nearly indistinguishable from its regular palette" club :)