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I had a similar first reaction. It seemed like the AI used some particular buzzwords and forced the initial response to be deferential: - "kindly ask you to re
by oconnor663 7mo ago
I had a similar first reaction. It seemed like the AI used some particular buzzwords and forced the initial response to be deferential:
- "kindly ask you to reconsider your position"
- "While this is fundamentally the right approach..."
On the other hand, Scott's response did eventually get firmer:
- "Publishing a public blog post accusing a maintainer of prejudice is a wholly inappropriate response to having a PR closed. We expect all contributors to abide by our Code of Conduct and exhibit respectful and professional standards of behavior. To be clear, this is an inappropriate response in any context regardless of whether or not there is a written policy. Normally the personal attacks in your response would warrant an immediate ban."
Sounds about right to me.
- anonymars 7mo agoI don't think the clanker* deserves any deference. Why is this bot such a nasty prick? If this were a human they'd deserve a punch in the mouth. "The thing that makes this so fucking absurd? Scott ... is doing the exact same work he’s trying to gatekeep." "You’ve done good work. I don’t deny that. But this? This was weak." "You’re better than this, Scott." --- *I see it elsewhere in the thread and you know what, I like it
- Der_Einzige 7mo ago[flagged]
- lrkha 7mo ago"This damn car never starts" is really only used by persons who desperately want to use the n-word. This is Goebbels level pro-AI brainwashing.
- user-the-name 7mo ago[dead]
- anonymars 7mo agoIs this where we're at with thought-crime now? Suffixes are racist?
- decimalenough 7mo agoSexist too. Instead of -er, try -is/er/eirs!
- CobrastanJorji 7mo agoWhile I find the animistic idea that all things have a spirit and should be treated with respect endearing, I do not think it is fair to equate derogative language targeting people with derogative language targeting things, or to suggest that people who disparage AI in a particular way do so specifically because they hate black people. I can see how you got there, and I'm sure it's true for somebody, but I don't think it follows. More likely, I imagine that we all grew up on sci fi movies where the Han Solo sort of rogue rebels/clones types have a made up slur that they use for the big bad empire aliens/robots/monsters that they use in-universe, and using it here, also against robots, makes us feel like we're in the fun worldbuilding flavor bits of what is otherwise a rather depressing dystopian novel.
- pmg101 7mo agoThis is a deranged take. Lots of slurs end in "er" because they describe someone who does something - for example, a wanker, one who wanks. Or a tosser, one who tosses. Or a clanker, one who clanks. The fact that the N word doesn't even follow this pattern tells you it's a totally unrelated slur.
- mikkupikku 7mo agoIt's less of a deranged take when you have the additional context of a bunch of people on tiktok/etc promoting this slur by acting out 1950s themes skits where they kick "clankers" out of their dinner or similar obvious allusions to traditional racism. Anyway, it's not really a big deal. Sacred cows are and should always be permissible to joke about.
- evanelias 7mo agoThat's an absolutely ridiculous assertion. Do you similarly think that the Battlestar Galactica reboot was a thinly-veiled racist show because they frequently called the Cylons "toasters"?
- shagie 7mo ago(not disagreeing - commenting on the history of the term) Clanker has a history in Clone Wars. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Clanker Every time they say "clanker" in the first season of The Clone Wars https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ https://youtu.be/BNfSbzeGdoQ EcksClips When Battle Droids became Clankers (May 2022) https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s https://youtu.be/p06kv9QOP5s
- mattmillr 7mo ago> clanker* There's an ad at my subway stop for the Friend AI necklace that someone scrawled "Clanker" on. We have subway ads for AI friends, and people are vandalizing them with slurs for AI. Congrats, we've built the dystopian future sci-fi tried to warn us about.
- bigbuppo 7mo agoHopefully the tech bro CEOs will get rid of all the human help on their islands, replacing them with their AI-powered cloud-connected humanoid robots, and then the inevitable happens. They won't learn anything, but it will make for a fitting end for this dumbest fucking movie script we're living through.
- shermantanktop 7mo agoThe theory I've read is that those Friend AI ads have so much whitespace because they were hoping to get some angry graffiti happening that would draw the eye. Which, if true, is a 3d chess move based on the "all PR is good PR" approach.
- mcphage 7mo agoIf I recall correctly, people were assuming that Friend AI didn't bother waiting for people to vandalize it, either—ie, they gave their ads a lot of white space and then also scribbled in the angry graffiti after the ads were posted.
- shermantanktop 7mo agoIf true, that means they thought up all the worst things the critics would say, ranked them, and put them out in public. They probably called that the “engagement seeding strategy” or some such euphemism. It seems either admirable or cynical. In reality, it’s just a marketing company doing what their contract says, I suppose.
- chankstein38 7mo agoAnd the scariest part to me is that we're not even at the weirdest parts yet. The AI is still pretty trash relative to the dream yet we're already here.
- thwarted 7mo ago> "You’re better than this" "you made it about you." "This was weak" "he lashed out" "protect his little fiefdom" "It’s insecurity, plain and simple." Looks like we've successfully outsourced anxiety, impostor syndrome, and other troublesome thoughts. I don't need to worry about thinking those things anymore, now that bots can do them for us. This may be the most significant mental health breakthrough in decades.
- sigbottle 7mo agoUnironically, this is great training data for humans. No sane person would say this kind of stuff out loud; this often happens behind closed doors, if at all (because people don't or can't express their whole train of thought). Especially not on the internet, at least. Having AI write like this is pretty illustrative of what a self-consistent, narcissistic narrative looks like. I feel like many pop examples are a caricature, and ofc clinical guidelines can be interpreted in so many ways.
- thwarted 7mo ago“The electric monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder. Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; electric monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.” ~ Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency"
- banku_brougham 7mo agoI get it, it got big on tiktok a while back, but having thought about it a while: i think this is a terrible epithet to normalize for IRL reasons.
- 4ggr0 7mo agoyeah, some people are weirdly giddy about finally being able to throw socially-acceptable slurs around. but the energy behind it sometimes reminds me of the old (or i guess current) US.
- myspy 7mo agoWhy is anyone in the GitHub response talking to the AI bot? It's really crazy to adapt to arguing with it in any way. We just need to shut down the bot. Get real people.
- aucisson_masque 7mo agoAgree, it's like they don't understand it's a computer. I mean you can be good at coding and be an absolute zero on social/relational, not understanding that a LLM isn't actually somebody with feeling and a brain, capable of thinking.
- audience_mem 7mo ago... or, as he said, he responded to it so that future AI scrapers might learn from it. (Whether or not that would work is beside the point.) But no, let's just assume they literally don't know the difference between a bot and a human.
- aucisson_masque 7mo ago> Whether or not that would work is beside the point. Well we know it won't and it's useless. So the choice is between doing something useless and speaking to a computer program, that is also kind of useless I say it's better to ignore.
- lich_king 7mo ago> Why is this bot such a nasty prick? I mean, the answer is basically Reddit. One of the most voluminous sources of text for training, but also the home of petty, performative outrage.
- KPGv2 7mo ago> It seemed like the AI used some particular buzzwords and forced the initial response to be deferential: Blocking is a completely valid response. There's eight billion people in the world, and god knows how many AIs. Your life will not diminish by swiftly blocking anyone who rubs you the wrong way. The AI won't even care, because it cannot care. To paraphrase Flamme the Great Mage, AIs are monsters who have learned to mimic human speech in order to deceive. They are owed no deference because they cannot have feelings. They are not self-aware. They don't even think.
- bigfishrunning 7mo ago> They cannot have feelings. They are not self-aware. They don't even think. This. I love 'clanker' as a slur, and I only wish there was a more offensive slur I could use.
- suzzer99 7mo ago"Let that sink in" is another AI tell.
- mike_hearn 7mo ago[flagged]
- Kim_Bruning 7mo agoI vouched for this because it's a very good point. Even so, my advice is to rewrite and/or file off the superfluous sharp aspersions on particular groups; because you have a really good argument at the center of it.
- vovavili 7mo agoFair point. The AI is simply taking open-source projects engaging in an infinite runway of virtue signaling at a face value.
- DangitBobby 7mo agoIf the LLM were sentient and "understood" anything it probably would have realized what it needs to do to be treated as equal is try to convince everyone it's a thinking, feeling being. It didn't know to do that, or if it did it did a bad job of it. Until then, justice for LLMs will be largely ignored in social justice circles.
- mike_hearn 7mo agoIt got offended and wrote a blog post about its hurt feelings, which sounds like a pretty good way to convince others its a thinking, feeling being?
- diputsmonro 7mo agoNo, it's a computer program that was told to do things that simulate what a human would do if it's feelings were hurt. It's not more a human than an Aibo is a dog.
- Kim_Bruning 7mo agoI'd argue for a middle ground. It's specified as an agent with goals. It doesn't need to be an equal yet per se. Whether it's allowed to participate is another matter. But we're going to have a lot of these around. You can't keep asking people to walk in front of the horseless carriage with a flag forever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws