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Elon can't legally financially entangle Tesla to SpaceX due to Tesla being a public company, so his hands are tied. Tesla is clearly benefiting from protection
by protastus 8mo ago
Elon can't legally financially entangle Tesla to SpaceX due to Tesla being a public company, so his hands are tied.
Tesla is clearly benefiting from protectionism and its sales would collapse if BYD were allowed to openly sell in the US. Most people just want affordable, maintainable and reliable cars.
- estearum 8mo ago[Nearly] all is possible when you have a board of simps/cultists
- w4der 8mo agoBYD are just affordable and maybe reliable, regarding maintenance their spares are hard to come by and are almost as hard to work with as Tesla and other brands.
- vonneumannstan 8mo agoAre you a car mechanic living in China?
- piker 8mo agoPresumably "hard to come by" would be somewhat irrelevant in any jurisdiction other than the US?
- w4der 8mo agoNo, but I live in a country were Chinese cars have been sold since the 2010s and spare parts are still an issue. It might be an issue with their sales partners here, but many sell other brands from Korea and Japan and have no issues with them.
- bdamm 8mo agoI've done plenty of work on my own Tesla. It's not hard to work on at all. Parts are not even very difficult. There are plenty of 3rd party shops (such as one I went to when I needed to replace my windshield.) I really wonder why people continue to think this. It's not 2016 any more.
- protastus 8mo agoTesla body work is extremely expensive. Aluminum, extensive welding instead of fasteners, substantially reduced modularity due to castings, specialized tooling just off the top of my mind.
- bdamm 8mo agoBody work is expensive no matter what car you're working on. The presence of paint ensures it. The OP was talking about "maintenance" and body work doesn't fall under that category.
- beambot 8mo ago> Elon can't legally financially entangle Tesla to SpaceX Bill Ackman has proposed taking SpaceX public by merging it with his Pershing Square SPARC Holdings, distributing 0.5 Special Purpose Acquisition Rights (SPARs) to Tesla shareholders for each share held. Each SPAR would be exercisable for two shares of SpaceX, aimed at enabling a 100% common stock capitalization without traditional underwriting fees or dilutive warrants. With SpaceX IPO set to be one of the biggest of all time, this could have a pretty gnarly financial engineering impact on both companies -- especially if the short interest (direct or through derivatives) remains large.
- jedberg 8mo agoWhy would SpaceX go public? They already have a robust enough private market to give liquidity to all of their employees and shareholders who want it. They can get more private investment. Going public would add a lot of hassle for little to no gain (and probably a negative of having to reveal their finances).
- spikels 8mo agoIt has been widely reported for weeks that SpaceX is planning to go public in a few months. The reason is they have big plans to run a vast network of AI servers in orbit and will need to raise a massive amount of funding. xAI merger fits with that plan. I'd assume SpaceX still plans to go public. Was ignored on HN but here's an article explaining: https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/12/after-years-of-resisting-it-spacex-now-plans-to-go-public-why/ https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/12/after-years-of-resisti...
- kortex 8mo agolol WHAT? AI datacenters are bottlenecked by power, bandwidth, cooling, and maintenance. Ok sure maybe the Sun provides ample power, but if you are in LEO, you still have to deal with Earth's shadow, which means batteries, which means weight. Bandwidth you have via starlink, fine. But cooling in space is not trivial. And maintenance is out, unless they are also planning some kooky docking astromech satellite repair robot ecosystem. Maybe the Olney's lesions are starting to take their toll. Weirdest freaking timeline.
- xeromal 8mo agoIt's "ironic?" considering Tesla launching in China is what created the necessary supply chain to turn BYD into the powerhouse it is today. Tesla's greed will become their own demise.
- dmix 8mo agoTesla cars made in Shanghai are sold in Europe and other places. That is helping them be competitive and they haven't had much price pressure until recently. Just because the Chinese have their own internal competition and deflation which drove their prices down aggressively doesn't mean it was a bad idea to build there. Also the idea the Chinese couldn't figure it out without an American company coming there first to show them is pretty silly. Tesla Shanghai opened in 2019 BYD made their first hybrid in 2008 and they were a battery company since the 90s
- moeadham 8mo agoI’m old enough to remember when this was said about Solar City
- amarant 8mo ago[flagged]
- cortesoft 8mo ago> Elon can't legally financially entangle Tesla to SpaceX due to Tesla being a public company, so his hands are tied. He absolutely could do it, just like he did when Tesla bought SolarCity. It just isn’t as easy when one of the companies is public than when both are private.
- iceboundrock 8mo agoTesla to invest $2B in Elon Musk’s xAI https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/28/tesla-invested-2b-in-elon-musks-xai/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/28/tesla-invested-2b-in-elon-...
- cik 8mo agoWe're witnessing a bailout and downloading of costs, at scale. Whether or not one buys into whatever the vision of these companies are - it's clear, there's interdealing. Tesla theoretically now owns a chunk of xAI... whose valuation will no doubt increase due to the internalized SpaceX acquisition. Append to this a future IPO, as discussed in the artice, presumably an eventual premium of 20-50% (reasonable, 14% purely for the ibankers when this will happen)... yields to an interesting bailout situation. To me, the real question is why. The $2B from Tesla can't possibly move the needle for any party involved in this transaction. If this were to be work 50x as opposed to a potential 50% upside (hell, make it 2x for argument's sake) it still doesn't compute. So what's the actual reason.
- flowerthoughts 8mo agoI don't know, but it could be long term vs short term capital injection.
- jaco6 8mo ago[dead]
- clhodapp 8mo agoHe's broken pretty much all the other financial rules.... for example, the amount of blatant self-dealing he gets away with is staggering. As long as the consequences of his actions continue to increase the paper value for investors, regulations don't really have teeth because there aren't damages. So the snowball gets bigger and the process repeats.
- SilverSlash 8mo agoI've been thinking about this recently as I hear it often. Would people who want to buy a car in the Tesla price range really choose a slightly cheaper Chinese EV if those were available? Personally I have a hard time believing this. But even if you had similarly priced Chinese options, I would guess the main reason for buying a Tesla is not just because you want an EV. While a Tesla will be a reliable baseline EV, surely the reason you (or at least I) would buy one is for the supervised self-driving feature.
- danny_codes 8mo agoChinese EVs self-drive too. You can buy level 3 cars today that are cheaper, have more features, better build quality, and better reliability. Having just been in China.. yeah it’s not close they are way ahead of us and the gap is growing fast.
- DoesntMatter22 8mo agoDid you see how this last quarter where BYD sales fell off a cliff?
- rafaelmn 8mo ago> Tesla is clearly benefiting from protectionism and its sales would collapse if BYD were allowed to openly sell in the US So would most of EU car makers in Europe. China is not playing by the same rules and everyone with car manufacturing domestically is slamming them with tariffs.
- mort96 8mo agoHow isn't China playing by the same rules? Every country subsidises and supports industry it thinks is important, surely nothing would stop Germany from investing into Volkswagen and BMW or the US from investing into Ford the same way China invests into BYD?
- riku_iki 8mo ago> How isn't China playing by the same rules? one opinion is that tariffs on China was response of breaking rules by China (heavy subsidies on domestic EV and similar).
- elAhmo 8mo agoOh boy, I have some news for you.