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#2 cannot be understated

by cschep 8mo ago

edoceo 8mo ago
Was the golden boy for a while? What shifted? I don't even remember what he did "first" to get the status. Is it maybe just a case of familiarity breeding contempt?
- icepush 8mo ago
  It is starting to become clear to more and more people that Sam is a dyed in the wool True Believer in AGI. While it's obvious in hindsight that OpenAI would never have gotten anywhere if he wasn't, seeing it so starkly is really rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
  - steveBK123 8mo ago
    Advertising Generated Income?
    - Bayko 8mo ago
      Damm this is smart. I like it
      - steveBK123 8mo ago
        Someone else said it first here
    - upboundspiral 8mo ago
      One of my favorites is Amphora of Great Intelligence by the artist David Revoy. https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1090/the-amphora-of-great-intelligence-agi https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1090/the-amphora-of-great-... https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1092/the-amphora-of-great-intelligence-agi-part-2 https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1092/the-amphora-of-great-...
  - justcool393 8mo ago
    it's even worse than that and i hope people recognize that it's not that he's a True Believer (though the TBs are often hilarious) it's that he has no ethics to speak of at all. it's not that he's out of touch, it's that he simply does not care.
  - munksbeer 8mo ago
    Why would him believing in AGI make people dislike him? He is clearly disliked by a lot of tech community, I don't see his AGI belief as a big part of that.
    - icepush 8mo ago
      Well, in the world where AGI is created and it goes suboptimally, everybody gets turned into computronium and goes extinct, which is a prospect some are miffed about. And, in the world where it goes well, no decision of any consequence is made by a human being ever again, since the computer has planned every significant life event since before their birth. Free will in a very literal sense will have been erased. Sam being a true believer means he is not going to stop working until one of these worlds comes true. People who understand the stakes are understandably irked by him.
- pinnochio 8mo ago
  All the manipulation and lying that got him fired.
  - chihuahua 8mo ago
    He is a pretty interesting case. According to the book "Empire of AI" about OpenAI, he lies constantly, even about things that are too trivial to matter. So it may be part of some compulsive behavior. And when two people want different things from him, he "resolves" the conflict by agreeing with each of them separately, and then each assumes they got what they wanted, until they talk to the other person and find out that nothing was resolved. Really not a person who is qualified to run a company, except the constant lying is good for fundraising and PR.
    - kreelman 8mo ago
      He was once a big pin in Y Combinator (I think kind of ran it?)... Paul Graham thought he was great for YC. Interesting that he's got as far as he has with this issue. I don't think you can run a company effectively if you don't deal in truth. Some of his videos have seemed quite bizarre as well, quite sarcastic about concerns people have about AI in general.
      - owebmaster 8mo ago
        > He was once a big pin in Y Combinator (I think kind of ran it?)... Paul Graham thought he was great for YC. And today it seems everyone will at YC hate him but pretend not
    - junofan 8mo ago
      Sounds like when people are politicking he just takes a “whatever” approach haha. That seems reasonable.
      - pinnochio 8mo ago
        No, that's not what he's doing.
- onetokeoverthe 8mo ago
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- PunchyHamster 8mo ago
  Well, he made mistake many billionaires do, he opened his mouth with his own thoughts, instead of just reading what PR department told him to read
notyourwork 8mo ago
Cringey to watch their interviews.
3kkdd 8mo ago
Indeed. Sama seems to be incredibly delusional. OAI going bust is going to really damage his well-being, irrespective of his financial wealth. Brother really thought he was going to take over the world at one point.
- ambicapter 8mo ago
  Scariest part is it probably won't, and he'll be back in five year with something else.
  - PunchyHamster 8mo ago
    People lying to everyone lie to themselves the most
  - oska 8mo ago
    Do you see Sam Bankman-Fried getting reinstated? I don't and I see Sam Altman as a greater fraud than that (loathsome) individual. And I don't think Sam gets through the coming bubble pop without being widely exposed (and likely prosecuted) as a fraudster.
glalonde 8mo ago
*Overstated
- cschep 8mo ago
  oops, yup.

#2 cannot be understated

by cschep 8mo ago

#2 cannot be understated

Was the golden boy for a while? What shifted? I don't even remember what he did "first" to get the status. Is it maybe just a case of familiarity breeding contempt?

icepush 8mo ago
It is starting to become clear to more and more people that Sam is a dyed in the wool True Believer in AGI. While it's obvious in hindsight that OpenAI would never have gotten anywhere if he wasn't, seeing it so starkly is really rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
- steveBK123 8mo ago
  Advertising Generated Income?
  - Bayko 8mo ago
    Damm this is smart. I like it
    - steveBK123 8mo ago
      Someone else said it first here
  - upboundspiral 8mo ago
    One of my favorites is Amphora of Great Intelligence by the artist David Revoy. https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1090/the-amphora-of-great-intelligence-agi https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1090/the-amphora-of-great-... https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1092/the-amphora-of-great-intelligence-agi-part-2 https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1092/the-amphora-of-great-...
- justcool393 8mo ago
  it's even worse than that and i hope people recognize that it's not that he's a True Believer (though the TBs are often hilarious) it's that he has no ethics to speak of at all. it's not that he's out of touch, it's that he simply does not care.
- munksbeer 8mo ago
  Why would him believing in AGI make people dislike him? He is clearly disliked by a lot of tech community, I don't see his AGI belief as a big part of that.
  - icepush 8mo ago
    Well, in the world where AGI is created and it goes suboptimally, everybody gets turned into computronium and goes extinct, which is a prospect some are miffed about. And, in the world where it goes well, no decision of any consequence is made by a human being ever again, since the computer has planned every significant life event since before their birth. Free will in a very literal sense will have been erased. Sam being a true believer means he is not going to stop working until one of these worlds comes true. People who understand the stakes are understandably irked by him.
pinnochio 8mo ago
All the manipulation and lying that got him fired.
- chihuahua 8mo ago
  He is a pretty interesting case. According to the book "Empire of AI" about OpenAI, he lies constantly, even about things that are too trivial to matter. So it may be part of some compulsive behavior. And when two people want different things from him, he "resolves" the conflict by agreeing with each of them separately, and then each assumes they got what they wanted, until they talk to the other person and find out that nothing was resolved. Really not a person who is qualified to run a company, except the constant lying is good for fundraising and PR.
  - kreelman 8mo ago
    He was once a big pin in Y Combinator (I think kind of ran it?)... Paul Graham thought he was great for YC. Interesting that he's got as far as he has with this issue. I don't think you can run a company effectively if you don't deal in truth. Some of his videos have seemed quite bizarre as well, quite sarcastic about concerns people have about AI in general.
    - owebmaster 8mo ago
      > He was once a big pin in Y Combinator (I think kind of ran it?)... Paul Graham thought he was great for YC. And today it seems everyone will at YC hate him but pretend not
  - junofan 8mo ago
    Sounds like when people are politicking he just takes a “whatever” approach haha. That seems reasonable.
    - pinnochio 8mo ago
      No, that's not what he's doing.
onetokeoverthe 8mo ago
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PunchyHamster 8mo ago
Well, he made mistake many billionaires do, he opened his mouth with his own thoughts, instead of just reading what PR department told him to read

notyourwork 8mo ago

Cringey to watch their interviews.

3kkdd 8mo ago

Indeed. Sama seems to be incredibly delusional. OAI going bust is going to really damage his well-being, irrespective of his financial wealth. Brother really thought he was going to take over the world at one point.

ambicapter 8mo ago
Scariest part is it probably won't, and he'll be back in five year with something else.
- PunchyHamster 8mo ago
  People lying to everyone lie to themselves the most
- oska 8mo ago
  Do you see Sam Bankman-Fried getting reinstated? I don't and I see Sam Altman as a greater fraud than that (loathsome) individual. And I don't think Sam gets through the coming bubble pop without being widely exposed (and likely prosecuted) as a fraudster.

glalonde 8mo ago

*Overstated

cschep 8mo ago
oops, yup.