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National Guard activated in Minneapolis after Border Patrol agent kills man

93 points by connor11528 8mo ago

nvahalik 8mo ago
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- binarymax 8mo ago
  It’s fair to say that the federal government is no longer a trusted source of information on this matter.
- mcphage 8mo ago
  > have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here. Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
- bigyabai 8mo ago
  > official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-ice-protest-arrest-altered-image https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
- geenkeuse 8mo ago
  If you don't see what's going on at this point then you are either wilfully ignorant or feigning ignorance. Anybody who cares just a little about "the others" can see the truth. Wake up!
- parrellel 8mo ago
  Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.
  - orionsbelt 8mo ago
    Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons. I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.
    - text0404 8mo ago
      You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. > the most likely theory According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
      - orionsbelt 8mo ago
        > You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation techniques, and perhaps even were more willing to risk their own lives than just always shoot recklessly), but putting all that aside, if someone yells "gun", and then a shot is fired, the second shooter then assuming it's the guy they are tackling that shot, and shooting him multiple times in response, is a typical cop reaction. So the main question is - who fired the first shot and why? The moral weight of the event, at least in my view, is very different if it was ICE deliberately shooting, or an accidental discharge that triggered everything. > According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false). Most likely according to me, based on the videos I have seen (https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407 https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407). I could be wrong. I was responding to someone who said there's clear video that it was a deliberate execution. The water of any breaking news reporting is already muddy; it's all speculation on all sides.
- hn1986 8mo ago
  the video https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qm5cbp/three_angles_from_the_shooting_today_synchronized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qm5cbp/three_a...
- rjrjrjrj 8mo ago
  The downside of electing a pathological liar as President.
binarymax 8mo ago
I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.
- mcphage 8mo ago
  They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.
  - binarymax 8mo ago
    If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.
    - mcphage 8mo ago
      > they have the numbers for that Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
      - binarymax 8mo ago
        The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.
        mcphage 8mo ago
        They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?
        8mo ago
DustinEchoes 8mo ago
More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.
OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago
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- tylerritchie 8mo ago
  To be clear, this position is: "capitulate to the police state, or die" with no discussion about whether that should be the case. It's a bad take.
- JoeAltmaier 8mo ago
  The penalty for legal concealed carry is not death. Victim blaming may be practical, but it's a measure of the depths the government agents have come to, that we are in fear of our lives from them and stepping out of line might be a death sentence.
- happytoexplain 8mo ago
  Don't excuse murder. Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
- orwin 8mo ago
  Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters. On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.
NedF 8mo ago
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OutOfHere 8mo ago
How soon before this article too gets flagged and removed? Here is its link for posterity: https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-24-2026 https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...
- deleted 8mo ago
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ChrisArchitect 8mo ago
Related: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047
Vanit 8mo ago
The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.
- defrost 8mo ago
  > In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing. Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians. eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inquest-findings-nt-coroner-yuendumu/105497006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu... Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc. They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
- throw0101c 8mo ago
  > The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s). On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting): * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised: * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660
polotics 8mo ago
Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 8mo ago
  The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.

93 points by connor11528 8mo ago

nvahalik 8mo ago

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binarymax 8mo ago
It’s fair to say that the federal government is no longer a trusted source of information on this matter.
mcphage 8mo ago
> have genuinely no idea idea what is going on or who to trust here. Well, which one photoshops people they don’t like and releases them, claiming they are real? AP or the White House?
bigyabai 8mo ago
> official statements from the government agencies themselves say isn't true. I don't think you've been paying much attention to this admin's PR: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-ice-protest-arrest-altered-image https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/22/white-house-...
geenkeuse 8mo ago
If you don't see what's going on at this point then you are either wilfully ignorant or feigning ignorance. Anybody who cares just a little about "the others" can see the truth. Wake up!
parrellel 8mo ago
Well, the whole execution was recorded from at least 3 available angles. You could just check.
- orionsbelt 8mo ago
  Well, from what I’ve seen, the most likely theory is that the agent who disarmed the man (after another agent had yelled “gun”) then accidentally discharged the weapon, which caused all the other ICE officers to freak out and discharge their weapons. I don’t want to argue over the broader questions; ie should ICE even be there and doing this; are they adequately trained; are they overly aggressive to tackle this guy and pepper spray him in the first instance; is American law enforcement is way too trigger happy and protective of their own skin; and so on. There’s a lot of validity to all of that. But the narrow story of this particular incident changes a lot if there was an accidental discharge that made the other offices believe he was shooting.
  - text0404 8mo ago
    You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. > the most likely theory According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false).
    - orionsbelt 8mo ago
      > You can quite clearly see the second shooter in the video standing over him, shooting him multiple times as he's laying motionless on the ground after being beaten and shot once. Yes, that's how cops/ICE react when they hear gunshots. They shoot and ask questions later. I'm not necessarily defending that (I think it would be a great thing if cops/ICE received more extensive training, cared more about de-escalation techniques, and perhaps even were more willing to risk their own lives than just always shoot recklessly), but putting all that aside, if someone yells "gun", and then a shot is fired, the second shooter then assuming it's the guy they are tackling that shot, and shooting him multiple times in response, is a typical cop reaction. So the main question is - who fired the first shot and why? The moral weight of the event, at least in my view, is very different if it was ICE deliberately shooting, or an accidental discharge that triggered everything. > According to whom? What's your source for this? Wild that you're trying to muddy the waters with "theories" that even ICE hasn't claimed (the only defense so far is that he was a violent domestic terrorist who wanted to murder ICE agents, which is demonstrably false). Most likely according to me, based on the videos I have seen (https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407 https://x.com/Landeur/status/2015191223900803407). I could be wrong. I was responding to someone who said there's clear video that it was a deliberate execution. The water of any breaking news reporting is already muddy; it's all speculation on all sides.
hn1986 8mo ago
the video https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qm5cbp/three_angles_from_the_shooting_today_synchronized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button https://www.reddit.com/r/Leakednews/comments/1qm5cbp/three_a...
rjrjrjrj 8mo ago
The downside of electing a pathological liar as President.

binarymax 8mo ago

I’m not sure how many people realize this, but ICE is the buildup for trump to hold power by deploying soldiers ahead of time. I expect we will see them deployed at the election sites of democratic cities in November.

mcphage 8mo ago
They’re failing to control a single mid-sized city, I’m not sure how they would maintain control over half the country. They don’t have the numbers, and are widely hated.
- binarymax 8mo ago
  If you want to hold on to the house and senate you don’t need to maintain control - you just need to disrupt the elections of 10 to 20 key cities, and they have the numbers for that.
  - mcphage 8mo ago
    > they have the numbers for that Maybe, but right now they’re trying for 1 and can’t do it. Not sure where they are hiding 10x or 20x the troops.
    - binarymax 8mo ago
      The intention is disruption, they don’t care about control. They are disrupting lives in several cities.
      - mcphage 8mo ago
        They are disrupting lives, but elections? Imagine if the election was held today in Minneapolis, how do you think the vote would go? Would people be afraid to vote, or would it be the largest turnout the city has ever seen?
        8mo ago

DustinEchoes 8mo ago

More tinder for the fire, waiting for a spark.

OsrsNeedsf2P 8mo ago

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tylerritchie 8mo ago
To be clear, this position is: "capitulate to the police state, or die" with no discussion about whether that should be the case. It's a bad take.
JoeAltmaier 8mo ago
The penalty for legal concealed carry is not death. Victim blaming may be practical, but it's a measure of the depths the government agents have come to, that we are in fear of our lives from them and stepping out of line might be a death sentence.
happytoexplain 8mo ago
Don't excuse murder. Everybody already knows what to do in a civil unrest scenario if you don't want to risk your life (stay at home, don't let in anybody without a warrant). There are other people with different, more noble priorities.
orwin 8mo ago
Exactly what was said to the Venezuelian and Irani protesters. On the other side, the last time in the US police were killing this indiscriminately, some people in Oakland started open carrying automatic rifles in groups and followed patrol cars to prevent those 'mistakes' to happen again.

NedF 8mo ago

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OutOfHere 8mo ago

How soon before this article too gets flagged and removed? Here is its link for posterity: https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-24-2026 https://apnews.com/live/minneapolis-ice-shooting-updates-1-2...

deleted 8mo ago
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ChrisArchitect 8mo ago

Related: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46745047

Vanit 8mo ago

The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing.

defrost 8mo ago
> In any other developed country it wouldn't be possible to escalate these situations like this regardless of what you were doing. Without in any way excusing the clear and obvious excess of the US DHS and ICE here, you should at least read various Coroner's findings in respect of Australian police interactions with indigenous Australians. eg: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inquest-findings-nt-coroner-yuendumu/105497006 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/kumanjayi-walker-inqu... Various police forces around the globe, in Australia, Canada, the UK, and elsewhere have their subgroups with encrypted chat accounts detailing at length their contempt for various others .. women, particular minorities and ethnicities, etc. They often exchange grooming notes on provoking "officer-induced jeopardy" .. how to escalate a situation into what passes for "justified homicide" or least a chance to put the boot in.
throw0101c 8mo ago
> The American discourse around these killings are actually insane. The only insanity is in the defence of the killing(s). On the most recent event, a reduced-speed video showing one agent (centre, bent over at beginning) removing the victim's firearm from his waistband, then a second agent (left) waiting for the first to get clear, and then pulling his pistol (video stops before any shooting): * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015272806636736647 The actual shooting of the victim; view discretion advised: * https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://x.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 * https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660 https://xcancel.com/TheWarMonitor/status/2015335743443378660

polotics 8mo ago

Well it looks like it's time to say bye-bye to the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms in the US, right? NRA and all that notwithstanding it seems if you're bearing arms you will be shot. Interesting times.

Eddy_Viscosity2 8mo ago
The 2A was only meant to apply to Republicans, obviously.