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A good start would be to allow everyone living in the city to vote. I don't care about politics, zoning or planning if I am not allowed to vote or participate.
by systemtest 8mo ago
A good start would be to allow everyone living in the city to vote. I don't care about politics, zoning or planning if I am not allowed to vote or participate. There isn't anything I can do, so why bother putting effort into it?
- petcat 8mo ago> allow everyone living in the city to vote Who is "everyone" in this case?
- systemtest 8mo agoPeople who live in the city for the majority of their time. They should be able to vote. Regardless of their housing situation. In basically all of Europe, voting for local elections is tied to having stable housing.
- ishouldstayaway 8mo agoI don't disagree with you per se, but how would that work in practice? How could you actually tell someone lives there if they don't have an address to back up that claim?
- systemtest 8mo agoBy allowing them to register as citizens of that city
- ishouldstayaway 8mo agoThis just pushes the problem back a step, and both has and produces all the same problems as the issue it purports to solve.
- gedy 8mo agoMy guess is non-citizens or 'undocumented immigrants'.
- systemtest 8mo agoThose as well. But even citizens and immigrants with paperwork can often not vote for local elections if they do not have stable housing.
- trinix912 8mo agoYes, because they don’t legally permanently live in that place. Sorry not sorry. Why do you think anyone can just sign up for some local elections and vote for a town they’re not even legally permanently situated in??
- systemtest 8mo agoThen change the fucking system so that people who have been living in a city for years can legally do so. Or kick them out. But don't have this vague system of sub-humans that are not allowed to influence their surroundings by voting.
- dymk 8mo agoDid you not register to vote or something?
- systemtest 8mo agoI've lived in various European cities where I was not able to vote for various reasons. Such as living hotel long-term, living in a holiday home, being semi-homeless, sub-letting, crashing on someones couch. Seasonal workers, migrant workers or people with unstable employment are typically in this situation. No, I was not able to vote.
- whynotminot 8mo agoI don’t want someone drifting through town in the local motel to be able to meaningfully vote to change the city I am rooted in.
- systemtest 8mo agoI'm talking about people who live in the city for years.
- moi2388 8mo agoThen find a legal place to stay and register and you can vote.
- systemtest 8mo agoA yes, why didn't I think of that! Let me just completely ignore the broken housing market, the 15+ year waiting list for social housing and scrape together... lets checks... €400k for a small appartement with a 45 minute commute to work. Do you have any clue how privileged you sound here? This is peak "have you tried not being poor" attitude.
- mjr00 8mo ago
- freedomben 8mo agoI'm not saying GP was implying this, but my read of their comment is that it would be a bad thing for everyone to start to voting. If a person doesn't know what they're voting for, they're not more likely to make good decisions. They're just more likely to cancel out the vote of someone who did educate themselves.
- Spooky23 8mo agoThere’s a lot you can do. Voting is the entry stake. You can make a big impact with a very low level of political engagement. Allowing popular referendum for everything just invites a particular and usually really dumb level of politics. You can influence a board’s decision and get some or all of what you want. IMO one of the biggest problems with society is that you have this view that politics is this idea that it’s some sort of magical thing that is done to you. I can get my city councilman on the phone easily. Probably would get a meeting with my state senator in a few days if need be. Just show up and work with people.