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I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offe

I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original intent was to help pretty ladies from Eastern Europe to be brought into the country as indentured workers. That is why it is so easy to get this visa for an actor or a fashion model but very tough to get someone for their research. So all this is working as intended.

Jare 8mo ago
I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). So this is purely to bring people with money and/or influence, nothing exceptional except the number of 0's.
- dragonwriter 8mo ago
  > I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). Just like film work (which it is a kind of, in a sense), any place can be an OF set, but you need a set and, for performances with more than one performer, you generally need the performers at the same set. Physical proximity to both sets that you want to use and other performers who you might do recurring joint performances with seem to have obvious utility.
- whaleofatw2022 8mo ago
  > A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). Well Streamer vs Influencer can be different potentially, that said I can think of one example even for video game streamers, that being the AGDQ charity event where speedrunners/streamers do stuff live for charity at the event space.
- thaumasiotes 8mo ago
  > I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know An OnlyFans worker may make the bulk of her money by meeting fans in person for dates. That can't be done over the internet.
  - t-3 8mo ago
    She's not really an "OnlyFans worker" in that case. OnlyFans is merely an advertising venue for an escort or prostitution service.
    - lazide 8mo ago
      Wait until you hear about porn stars!
    - dessimus 8mo ago
      While possible to be for physical sex work, I think the previous commenter meant by meeting fans, would be like at a meet-and-greet at a Con, so they can further increase the parasocial relationship with the people giving them subscriptions, signing autographs. Also, they may be doing collabs with other content creators, just as comedians and actors will be on each others podcasts.
      - kevin_thibedeau 8mo ago
        INA §212(a)(2)(D) renders inadmissible any alien who: (i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status, (ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10-year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or (iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution Obviously these people should be applying for EB-1s since that is the established visa program for prostitutes.
- usef- 8mo ago
  It increases the countries' soft power if people around the world watch content from there. Eg. a self-reinforcing cycle that you get the best from the other immigrant categories arriving because they choose the country where everything "seems to be happening".
- neilv 8mo ago
  What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one reason may be that social inequality means there are many deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for a weekend experience.
  - autoexec 8mo ago
    The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.
    - Majora320 8mo ago
      > The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those at the top are doing very well, it's those without access to capital who are struggling. America in decline looks like a bifurcated economy where low-paying jobs catering to the desires of the wealthy take up an increasingly large share of the economy. You can decide for yourself to what extent this is already happening.
      - fakedang 8mo ago
        A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades but this time the US is going to be on the wrong side of history. As an outsider, it's interesting to watch Nero play the fiddle while the rest of the world sanctions the US (except India and the Middle East and Taiwan). I think this is how the average Roman felt during Honorius' reign.
        8mo ago
- dijit 8mo ago
  > A streamer / OF [may not have to be in person] From what I understand about OF, it's not just people posting lewds, sometimes there are other actors in the media. Having access to established actors and uh... "collaborating" with them would require being there in person I would guess.
  - michaelt 8mo ago
    As I understand it [1], usually if you try to cross the border declaring you intend to engage in sex work, they turn you away. Some combination of prudishness and concern about trafficking. For there to be a special sex worker visa is a surprise, to me. [1] https://www.pace-society.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/319466_6d9267a6d4a2434e98cf2ac6a788d350.pdf https://www.pace-society.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/3194...
    - MadnessASAP 8mo ago
      It's strange, but is it really surprising? It's not like hypocrisy and moat building are new things in American politics. These days I wouldn't even be surprised to discover it was intentional. Some person or group wanted to ensure they could engage in sex trafficking with a superficially legal cover, but didn't want it to actually be legal.
    - altairprime 8mo ago
      The distinction is that this is meant to bring in women in service to a man such that they’re sponsor is also their new boss in sex work, rather than women who service men while maintaining independent free will to control their career in sex work. The phrase “sex worker” could refer to either scenario and it’s important to distinguish the former from the latter in order to understand just how that particular criteria came to be. (And, yeah, it can be quite uncomfortable to discover that the U.S. has a special immigration pathway for wealthy and/or politically-connected men to import women as sex servants. Isn’t history swell, congress protects its privileges quite effectively, etc.)
- aiauthoritydev 8mo ago
  O visa is sponsored by an employer. The employer has to provide reasons why the person is being brought in USA. It makes perfect sense for USA to bring as many OF models as they want into USA as it could mean $$$$ in revenue for IRS, more money for US business and since these models are typically young there is lower load on any kind of welfare.
pb7 8mo ago
Why does someone doing OF need to be in the country? You can upload pictures from anywhere.
- cromka 8mo ago
  I guess they branch out to more traditional porn industry, even if it's not obvious from their profiles?
- joe_mamba 8mo ago
  Because once you move to live in the US (or any other country) then you become tax liable there and every gov wants more net taxpayers.
  - SoftTalker 8mo ago
    Yeah this is the reason. People who earn a lot of money pay taxes and aren't a burden on any social services. More, please.
    - klipt 8mo ago
      > aren't a burden on any social services Until they retire and need end of life Medicare which is very expensive. That's why some countries like Dubai have devised a work visa system that lets people work for decades but never lets them become citizens so Dubai can kick out the moment they stop working, before they need end of life care.
    - MaxPock 8mo ago
      Only one percent of onlyfan models make money
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- tantalor 8mo ago
  It's not that they need to be in the country; they want to be in the country.
rayiner 8mo ago
> O visa's original intent was to help pretty ladies from Eastern Europe to be brought into the country as indentured workers That seems like something we should fix?
raxxorraxor 8mo ago
OF models make money until a certain age though. Sure, not too different to the current job market you could argue, but usually any "influencer" career today is quite short lived if you haven't a very specific niche. In my country prostitution is legal, but I think some countries are very hypocritical here about OF.
- jjp 8mo ago
  Is the influencer career being short lived any different from an athlete
  - raxxorraxor 8mo ago
    Not really. Athletes sometimes get advertising contracts, which OF models will probably not. But those athletes are probably a small minority as well.
theshrike79 8mo ago
TBH the president's (current) wife came in on an O1 visa too - as was the original intent like you said.

Jare 8mo ago

I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). So this is purely to bring people with money and/or influence, nothing exceptional except the number of 0's.

dragonwriter 8mo ago
> I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). Just like film work (which it is a kind of, in a sense), any place can be an OF set, but you need a set and, for performances with more than one performer, you generally need the performers at the same set. Physical proximity to both sets that you want to use and other performers who you might do recurring joint performances with seem to have obvious utility.
whaleofatw2022 8mo ago
> A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know (but e-sports is). Well Streamer vs Influencer can be different potentially, that said I can think of one example even for video game streamers, that being the AGDQ charity event where speedrunners/streamers do stuff live for charity at the event space.
thaumasiotes 8mo ago
> I thought the reason for this to be a visa is because their fields' activities were in-person (acting in movies/plays/shows, academic life & research, sports training & leagues, etc). A streamer / OF worker is not like that as far as I know An OnlyFans worker may make the bulk of her money by meeting fans in person for dates. That can't be done over the internet.
- t-3 8mo ago
  She's not really an "OnlyFans worker" in that case. OnlyFans is merely an advertising venue for an escort or prostitution service.
  - lazide 8mo ago
    Wait until you hear about porn stars!
  - dessimus 8mo ago
    While possible to be for physical sex work, I think the previous commenter meant by meeting fans, would be like at a meet-and-greet at a Con, so they can further increase the parasocial relationship with the people giving them subscriptions, signing autographs. Also, they may be doing collabs with other content creators, just as comedians and actors will be on each others podcasts.
    - kevin_thibedeau 8mo ago
      INA §212(a)(2)(D) renders inadmissible any alien who: (i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status, (ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10-year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or (iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution Obviously these people should be applying for EB-1s since that is the established visa program for prostitutes.
usef- 8mo ago
It increases the countries' soft power if people around the world watch content from there. Eg. a self-reinforcing cycle that you get the best from the other immigrant categories arriving because they choose the country where everything "seems to be happening".
neilv 8mo ago
What I know from news articles is that some of them openly "escort", like some traditional porn stars did more quietly. The fame on the screen can be brand-building for the even more lucrative in-person work. As one said in a quote, regarding AI threat and crumbling economies: "The oldest profession will be the last profession." If some of them want to move to the US right now, from currently healthier countries, one reason may be that social inequality means there are many deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for a weekend experience.
- autoexec 8mo ago
  The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those who come to the US with enough money on the bank will have access to a lifestyle and experiences that are becoming more and more exclusive, which makes for great content for the peasant class to consume on their phones.
  - Majora320 8mo ago
    > The decline of the US means that there will be increasingly fewer deep-pocketed customers able to pay 5 figures for anything. Those at the top are doing very well, it's those without access to capital who are struggling. America in decline looks like a bifurcated economy where low-paying jobs catering to the desires of the wealthy take up an increasingly large share of the economy. You can decide for yourself to what extent this is already happening.
    - fakedang 8mo ago
      A world war and a socialist-minded president could correct that for a good couple of decades but this time the US is going to be on the wrong side of history. As an outsider, it's interesting to watch Nero play the fiddle while the rest of the world sanctions the US (except India and the Middle East and Taiwan). I think this is how the average Roman felt during Honorius' reign.
      - 8mo ago
dijit 8mo ago
> A streamer / OF [may not have to be in person] From what I understand about OF, it's not just people posting lewds, sometimes there are other actors in the media. Having access to established actors and uh... "collaborating" with them would require being there in person I would guess.
- michaelt 8mo ago
  As I understand it [1], usually if you try to cross the border declaring you intend to engage in sex work, they turn you away. Some combination of prudishness and concern about trafficking. For there to be a special sex worker visa is a surprise, to me. [1] https://www.pace-society.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/319466_6d9267a6d4a2434e98cf2ac6a788d350.pdf https://www.pace-society.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/3194...
  - MadnessASAP 8mo ago
    It's strange, but is it really surprising? It's not like hypocrisy and moat building are new things in American politics. These days I wouldn't even be surprised to discover it was intentional. Some person or group wanted to ensure they could engage in sex trafficking with a superficially legal cover, but didn't want it to actually be legal.
  - altairprime 8mo ago
    The distinction is that this is meant to bring in women in service to a man such that they’re sponsor is also their new boss in sex work, rather than women who service men while maintaining independent free will to control their career in sex work. The phrase “sex worker” could refer to either scenario and it’s important to distinguish the former from the latter in order to understand just how that particular criteria came to be. (And, yeah, it can be quite uncomfortable to discover that the U.S. has a special immigration pathway for wealthy and/or politically-connected men to import women as sex servants. Isn’t history swell, congress protects its privileges quite effectively, etc.)
aiauthoritydev 8mo ago
O visa is sponsored by an employer. The employer has to provide reasons why the person is being brought in USA. It makes perfect sense for USA to bring as many OF models as they want into USA as it could mean $$$$ in revenue for IRS, more money for US business and since these models are typically young there is lower load on any kind of welfare.

pb7 8mo ago

Why does someone doing OF need to be in the country? You can upload pictures from anywhere.

cromka 8mo ago
I guess they branch out to more traditional porn industry, even if it's not obvious from their profiles?
joe_mamba 8mo ago
Because once you move to live in the US (or any other country) then you become tax liable there and every gov wants more net taxpayers.
- SoftTalker 8mo ago
  Yeah this is the reason. People who earn a lot of money pay taxes and aren't a burden on any social services. More, please.
  - klipt 8mo ago
    > aren't a burden on any social services Until they retire and need end of life Medicare which is very expensive. That's why some countries like Dubai have devised a work visa system that lets people work for decades but never lets them become citizens so Dubai can kick out the moment they stop working, before they need end of life care.
  - MaxPock 8mo ago
    Only one percent of onlyfan models make money
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tantalor 8mo ago
It's not that they need to be in the country; they want to be in the country.

rayiner 8mo ago

> O visa's original intent was to help pretty ladies from Eastern Europe to be brought into the country as indentured workers That seems like something we should fix?

raxxorraxor 8mo ago

OF models make money until a certain age though. Sure, not too different to the current job market you could argue, but usually any "influencer" career today is quite short lived if you haven't a very specific niche. In my country prostitution is legal, but I think some countries are very hypocritical here about OF.

jjp 8mo ago
Is the influencer career being short lived any different from an athlete
- raxxorraxor 8mo ago
  Not really. Athletes sometimes get advertising contracts, which OF models will probably not. But those athletes are probably a small minority as well.

theshrike79 8mo ago

TBH the president's (current) wife came in on an O1 visa too - as was the original intent like you said.