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It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it als

by mixel 8mo ago

It's not shocking they added even more bloatware to every microsoft program so even with the same OS kernel it would probably take longer. At this point it also got out of hand for Microsoft themselves if you have heard how they are going to speed up the explorer. Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, there are 20 years of technical debt in I think you cannot save this anymore (but I am to inexperienced to know that for sure)

smitty1e 8mo ago
Sluggishness is the price we pay for freedom*. *Corporate surveillance.
bob1029 8mo ago
> there are 20 years of technical debt The only part of windows that really matters in the long run is win32 which has been extremely stable. You could go back to XP and not lose that many features. The fact that modern windows runs like ass has very little to do with backwards compatibility.
- driggs 8mo ago
  Windows 2000 or Windows XP - with security updates and modern hardware support - is exactly what I want.
  - greenavocado 8mo ago
    Zone94 is still releasing modern Windows XP distributions and OneCore API brings Windows 10-level app support to Windows XP. https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries
    - anal_reactor 8mo ago
      the fuck
- freedomben 8mo ago
  I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think there's an important distinction between technical debt and backwards compatibility. Yes The former can be caused by the latter, but I've worked in enough projects that didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility but were still riddled with technical debt to know that backwards compatibility is only one source of many.
mapontosevenths 8mo ago
The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the dummy who paid for it.
- duskdozer 8mo ago
  Hm, I asked Copilot and it told me everything you said was a nasty, nasty lie.
  - tartoran 8mo ago
    Let's not even go there. Copilot is .. just bad. I'm not surprised though.
- greenavocado 8mo ago
  - TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot integration - Widgets panel with MSN content - Start menu web search forcing Bing - Centered taskbar (not moveable) - Simplified right-click menu (hiding options) - Removed taskbar features (no drag-to-taskbar, no ungrouping) - Start menu ads/recommendations Update Control - Forced automatic updates - Limited update deferral for Home users - Feature updates bundled with security updates - Device Management (Enterprise) - Intune/MDM integration - Windows Autopilot - Azure AD requirements - Remote wipe capabilities - Monetization - Ads in Start menu - Ads in File Explorer - Suggested apps - Pre-installed third-party apps (Candy Crush, etc.)
  - ncpa-cpl 8mo ago
    Forcing OneDrive :/
everdrive 8mo ago
>Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, The oldest, worst, and most over-used trick in the (windows) book.
flufluflufluffy 8mo ago
One random little thing to add on to the list of shitty things about Windows 11: the new default image-viewing program (Photos), is incapable of rendering multi-page TIFF files. No error message or anything, just displays the first page and acts like everything’s fine. The OLD image viewing program (Windows Photo Viewer), displays them no problem though…
- qnleigh 8mo ago
  These kinds of issues can be incredibly disruptive and distressing for non tech-savy users. You update your OS and suddenly it looks like a lot of your data are corrupted, with no explanation of how to get it back. Forcing saving to OneDrive causes this issue a lot too. I was stunned to find that saving changes to an existing document will often try to save a new file in OneDrive instead. So if you don't notice this and go back to your original file, it will look like your changes weren't saved.

by mixel 8mo ago

smitty1e 8mo ago

Sluggishness is the price we pay for freedom*. *Corporate surveillance.

bob1029 8mo ago

> there are 20 years of technical debt The only part of windows that really matters in the long run is win32 which has been extremely stable. You could go back to XP and not lose that many features. The fact that modern windows runs like ass has very little to do with backwards compatibility.

driggs 8mo ago
Windows 2000 or Windows XP - with security updates and modern hardware support - is exactly what I want.
- greenavocado 8mo ago
  Zone94 is still releasing modern Windows XP distributions and OneCore API brings Windows 10-level app support to Windows XP. https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries https://github.com/shorthorn-project/One-Core-API-Binaries
  - anal_reactor 8mo ago
    the fuck
freedomben 8mo ago
I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think there's an important distinction between technical debt and backwards compatibility. Yes The former can be caused by the latter, but I've worked in enough projects that didn't have to worry about backwards compatibility but were still riddled with technical debt to know that backwards compatibility is only one source of many.

mapontosevenths 8mo ago

The last time this subject came up someone in the thread jumped up to explain to me how Windows 11 has all these great new features that make it worth being many times less performant. Every feature they listed was some anti-consumer thing that only a corporate customer would ever care about or want. Every single one. What I learned is that Windows 11 is great for the customer, I'm just not the customer. I'm just the dummy who paid for it.

duskdozer 8mo ago
Hm, I asked Copilot and it told me everything you said was a nasty, nasty lie.
- tartoran 8mo ago
  Let's not even go there. Copilot is .. just bad. I'm not surprised though.
greenavocado 8mo ago
- TPM 2.0 requirement - Secure Boot enforcement - Microsoft account requirement - BitLocker device encryption tied to MS account - Hardware attestation - Telemetry/Data Collection - Extensive diagnostic data collection - Advertising ID tracking - Activity history syncing - Bing integration everywhere - Edge as persistent default (difficult to change) - OneDrive integration/nagging - Microsoft 365 upselling - Copilot integration - Widgets panel with MSN content - Start menu web search forcing Bing - Centered taskbar (not moveable) - Simplified right-click menu (hiding options) - Removed taskbar features (no drag-to-taskbar, no ungrouping) - Start menu ads/recommendations Update Control - Forced automatic updates - Limited update deferral for Home users - Feature updates bundled with security updates - Device Management (Enterprise) - Intune/MDM integration - Windows Autopilot - Azure AD requirements - Remote wipe capabilities - Monetization - Ads in Start menu - Ads in File Explorer - Suggested apps - Pre-installed third-party apps (Candy Crush, etc.)
- ncpa-cpl 8mo ago
  Forcing OneDrive :/

everdrive 8mo ago

>Not by making it faster but by preloading it on startup so it feels snappier, The oldest, worst, and most over-used trick in the (windows) book.

flufluflufluffy 8mo ago

One random little thing to add on to the list of shitty things about Windows 11: the new default image-viewing program (Photos), is incapable of rendering multi-page TIFF files. No error message or anything, just displays the first page and acts like everything’s fine. The OLD image viewing program (Windows Photo Viewer), displays them no problem though…

qnleigh 8mo ago
These kinds of issues can be incredibly disruptive and distressing for non tech-savy users. You update your OS and suddenly it looks like a lot of your data are corrupted, with no explanation of how to get it back. Forcing saving to OneDrive causes this issue a lot too. I was stunned to find that saving changes to an existing document will often try to save a new file in OneDrive instead. So if you don't notice this and go back to your original file, it will look like your changes weren't saved.