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They moved the tents.

by throwaway0665 9mo ago

Archelaos 9mo ago
Yep. Slow reading of HN comments also has its benefits.
- teekert 9mo ago
  I guess this person sees the same mental image as me: Tents with wet floor, moisture sucked into everything inside. A tent that’s been in a lake sounds like a throwaway to me. But maybe what you see as a tent is different from what I see. For me the story was also a bit weird. “Just take the tents out of the water”. Ok…
  - HPsquared 9mo ago
    Tents often are waterproof for the first few inches.
  - jibal 9mo ago
    Even if that were true (and it obviously isn't), what then would be the point of expending tremendous time and energy to "dam it off and keep it dry"? These are alternative ways to keep the tents dry ... which entails that they were never soaked in the first place. > A tent that’s been in a lake The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water. > sounds like a throwaway to me Do you have any experience with this? I've been on trips where tents and even sleeping bags ended up in a river. They don't dissolve ...they can be dried in the sun. And a tent with a wet floor can be wiped down. > “Just take the tents out of the water”. Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images.
    - teekert 9mo ago
      I guess the term "tent" is pretty broad, this is what I see: [0], the cotton does not take being in water very well. But I guess a synthetic ultra light tent will do better. I also assumed the tents were already there when he arrived (complete assumption, but the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there), and so must be of the more heavy more stationary kind. Anyway, the point is, I also had this question: Where do you go when you mess up your tent like that? How can a dam in a layer of water make it dry? Don't you need a dam and then pump it dry. This is going too far, I just wanted to defend the question. Maybe it's a cultural difference. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=de+waard+tent&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=de+waard+tent&ia=images&iax...
      - jibal 9mo ago
        > the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there You've never been camping. Ok.
        scott_w 9mo ago
        I think you’re viewing this through your own cultural lens where camping can be totally solo (in the woods?) In England, we can’t just pitch up a tent in the woods, we need to pay for a campsite where there’s other tents. I suspect, from their description, this person is from a different country again, where camping may happen in large open steppe with lots of other yurts.
        teekert 9mo ago
        Yeah, this.
        jibal 9mo ago
        Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I said about camping. Someone else suggested that "campsite" just means the area covered by a tent and its groundcover, which is closer to the "mental image" of the other person who wrongly believes that tents got waterlogged, but is the arch opposite of yours. I've camped in the woods, on open steppes, and in designated camping areas in French and English towns. In each of those cases I brought my own tent, but I've also "glamped" and stayed in existing canvas-sided structures, from Yosemite to Mont St. Michel. Also, this is about a campsite a few inches of which is in a lake, and people moving their tents. But apparently paying attention to the actual context is optional for some people.
        scott_w 9mo ago
        I’m not trying to dispute your version of events. I’m just offering a suggestion of what teekert had in their mind when they thought of a campsite, to better help you see where the misunderstanding comes from. Given they replied with agreement, I hope I captured it accurately. I also feel it was unnecessary to dismiss their experience as “not camping,” just because it was different to yours. It turns a learning opportunity for us all into a needlessly toxic argument.
    - michaelt 9mo ago
      > The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water. [...] Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images. I think some people are interpreting “campsite” as the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet while you are interpreting it as the broader area - which in an organised institutional arrangement might be called the “campground” To use an analogy, think of being in a partly flooded parking space vs parking lot It makes sense that someone with the former interpretation - the tent ground sheet submerged by a few inches of water - would understand that the tent got soaked.
      - jibal 9mo ago
        I'm interpreting the word as what it means and how it is obviously being used. No one takes "campsite" to mean "the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet" unless they are playing some silly sophistic game. Here is what it means (pick your own source ... they are all similar and none agrees with your definition): "A campsite is a designated area where individuals can set up bedding, sleeping bags, or cooking equipment, such as stoves or fires. This definition encompasses any location that allows for sleeping or cooking, regardless of whether it includes a tent, lean-to, shack, or other structures." And here's the Wikipedia description, which notes that the English "campsite" is equivalent to the American "campground", but that is broader and neither is so absurdly narrow as your words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsite > would understand that the tent got soaked I already refuted this nonsense ... there is no reason to think from the OP's description that the tent got soaked. > To use an analogy, think of ... I don't need any help with thinking, especially from bad analogies that are flatly contradicted by the OP's description. What's the parking lot analogy to building dams?
      - selbyk 9mo ago
        I've always understood "campground" to be a whole area open to camping with dozens or hundreds of campers. A campsite is where your group's claim is staked and the area you occupy including picnic tables, fires, etc--not just the tent.
  - bee_rider 9mo ago
    Thanks for the attempt at a generous reading, but the truth of the matter is I just skimmed the comment and missed that bit. These things happen, no biggie.
- indrora 9mo ago
  They don't teach reading comprehension like they used to.
bee_rider 9mo ago
Do’h

They moved the tents.

Archelaos 9mo ago

Yep. Slow reading of HN comments also has its benefits.

teekert 9mo ago
I guess this person sees the same mental image as me: Tents with wet floor, moisture sucked into everything inside. A tent that’s been in a lake sounds like a throwaway to me. But maybe what you see as a tent is different from what I see. For me the story was also a bit weird. “Just take the tents out of the water”. Ok…
- HPsquared 9mo ago
  Tents often are waterproof for the first few inches.
- jibal 9mo ago
  Even if that were true (and it obviously isn't), what then would be the point of expending tremendous time and energy to "dam it off and keep it dry"? These are alternative ways to keep the tents dry ... which entails that they were never soaked in the first place. > A tent that’s been in a lake The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water. > sounds like a throwaway to me Do you have any experience with this? I've been on trips where tents and even sleeping bags ended up in a river. They don't dissolve ...they can be dried in the sun. And a tent with a wet floor can be wiped down. > “Just take the tents out of the water”. Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images.
  - teekert 9mo ago
    I guess the term "tent" is pretty broad, this is what I see: [0], the cotton does not take being in water very well. But I guess a synthetic ultra light tent will do better. I also assumed the tents were already there when he arrived (complete assumption, but the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there), and so must be of the more heavy more stationary kind. Anyway, the point is, I also had this question: Where do you go when you mess up your tent like that? How can a dam in a layer of water make it dry? Don't you need a dam and then pump it dry. This is going too far, I just wanted to defend the question. Maybe it's a cultural difference. [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=de+waard+tent&ia=images&iax=images https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=de+waard+tent&ia=images&iax...
    - jibal 9mo ago
      > the term campsite conjures up a place with tents already there You've never been camping. Ok.
      - scott_w 9mo ago
        I think you’re viewing this through your own cultural lens where camping can be totally solo (in the woods?) In England, we can’t just pitch up a tent in the woods, we need to pay for a campsite where there’s other tents. I suspect, from their description, this person is from a different country again, where camping may happen in large open steppe with lots of other yurts.
        teekert 9mo ago
        Yeah, this.
        jibal 9mo ago
        Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I said about camping. Someone else suggested that "campsite" just means the area covered by a tent and its groundcover, which is closer to the "mental image" of the other person who wrongly believes that tents got waterlogged, but is the arch opposite of yours. I've camped in the woods, on open steppes, and in designated camping areas in French and English towns. In each of those cases I brought my own tent, but I've also "glamped" and stayed in existing canvas-sided structures, from Yosemite to Mont St. Michel. Also, this is about a campsite a few inches of which is in a lake, and people moving their tents. But apparently paying attention to the actual context is optional for some people.
        scott_w 9mo ago
        I’m not trying to dispute your version of events. I’m just offering a suggestion of what teekert had in their mind when they thought of a campsite, to better help you see where the misunderstanding comes from. Given they replied with agreement, I hope I captured it accurately. I also feel it was unnecessary to dismiss their experience as “not camping,” just because it was different to yours. It turns a learning opportunity for us all into a needlessly toxic argument.
  - michaelt 9mo ago
    > The tents were never in the lake. A few inches of the campsite was in the lake at high water. [...] Those words don't appear anywhere. Try looking at the actual words and not just your mental images. I think some people are interpreting “campsite” as the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet while you are interpreting it as the broader area - which in an organised institutional arrangement might be called the “campground” To use an analogy, think of being in a partly flooded parking space vs parking lot It makes sense that someone with the former interpretation - the tent ground sheet submerged by a few inches of water - would understand that the tent got soaked.
    - jibal 9mo ago
      I'm interpreting the word as what it means and how it is obviously being used. No one takes "campsite" to mean "the literal space occupied by the tent’s ground sheet" unless they are playing some silly sophistic game. Here is what it means (pick your own source ... they are all similar and none agrees with your definition): "A campsite is a designated area where individuals can set up bedding, sleeping bags, or cooking equipment, such as stoves or fires. This definition encompasses any location that allows for sleeping or cooking, regardless of whether it includes a tent, lean-to, shack, or other structures." And here's the Wikipedia description, which notes that the English "campsite" is equivalent to the American "campground", but that is broader and neither is so absurdly narrow as your words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campsite > would understand that the tent got soaked I already refuted this nonsense ... there is no reason to think from the OP's description that the tent got soaked. > To use an analogy, think of ... I don't need any help with thinking, especially from bad analogies that are flatly contradicted by the OP's description. What's the parking lot analogy to building dams?
    - selbyk 9mo ago
      I've always understood "campground" to be a whole area open to camping with dozens or hundreds of campers. A campsite is where your group's claim is staked and the area you occupy including picnic tables, fires, etc--not just the tent.
- bee_rider 9mo ago
  Thanks for the attempt at a generous reading, but the truth of the matter is I just skimmed the comment and missed that bit. These things happen, no biggie.
indrora 9mo ago
They don't teach reading comprehension like they used to.

bee_rider 9mo ago

Do’h