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The most ironic thing to me is the amount of coddling these self-purported “strong men” need. The idea that someone wouldn’t blindly accept what they say is eno
by ianks 10mo ago
The most ironic thing to me is the amount of coddling these self-purported “strong men” need. The idea that someone wouldn’t blindly accept what they say is enough to throw their egos into self-protection mode.
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- ktallett 10mo agoThe most snowflake of all is those who love using the term snowflake.
- nephihaha 10mo agoChuck Pahlaniuk then? He devised it.
- croon 10mo agoThe Wachowskis coined "red pill", that's not how it's used though.
- nephihaha 10mo agoThe pills originally come from Lewis Carroll, where Alice could change size by taking them. Jefferson Airplane used that metaphor to sing about psychedelics. The Matrix adapted Carroll's pill motif to represent an alteration in one's perceptions of reality. In the broad sense, yes, in the narrower sense, no. The Wachowskis themselves pulled from gnosticism, eastern religions etc. Pahlaniuk used the term "snowflake" to refer to people who were brittle and "not beautiful and unique" (his words from memory). He is/was a left wing anarchist.
- croon 10mo agoI believe that was the point of both what I and GGGP wrote. Pahlaniuk would not be one of "those who love using the term snowflake", in its current context.
- mcphage 10mo ago> The pills originally come from Lewis Carroll, where Alice could change size by taking them. Wasn’t it a cake labeled “EAT ME” and a drink labeled “DRINK ME” in Alice in Wonderland? I don’t recall them being pills at all.
- JuniperMesos 10mo agoThe famous song White Rabbit by Jefferson Airplane uses an extended metaphor based on Alice In Wonderland, and has the lyrics: > One pill makes you larger > And one pill makes you small > And the ones that mother gives you > Don't do anything at all > Go ask Alice > When she's ten feet tall I've never read the Alice in Wonderland book, but the Disney adaptation of it from the 50s had cake and a drink I recall, and no pills.
- mcphage 9mo agoI agree about Jefferson Airplane, but the person I was responding to claimed the pills came from Lewis Carroll.
- foxyv 10mo agoI think you've experienced a bit of Mandela effect. Alice in wonderland is in fact mentioned as a metaphor in the movie. However, Alice would eat cake and take pleasant tasting potions to change size.
- mcphage 10mo ago> Chuck Pahlaniuk then? He devised it. He devised it, but Chuck was pretty clear—Tyler Durden wasn’t the good guy. So don’t take what he said as an endorsement by Pahlaniuk.
- inglor_cz 10mo agoThe most ironic thing to me is just how fast the political pendulum swings. One day you have kente cloths and taking the knee everywhere, and before you know it, right-winger bloggers are running the law enforcement. This is no way to live, 80%+ of the population is neither committed progressives nor committed conservatives/reactionaries, but they rule (or ruled) the social networks and thus dominate(d) in elections. By the grace of the algorithm, you majesty the king.
- refurb 10mo agoDon’t mistake what you see online or in the news as evidence of broad agreement. Plenty of people might disagree but choose to keep their mouth shut.
- truckerbill 10mo agoNever underestimate the amount of people that just go where the wind blows
- nosianu 10mo agoThis did not happen fast though, but over decades. On one side, the right preparing by slowly taking over positions, on the other side people ignoring the problems of many. Here in Germany I fear the AfD too may get into power, because instead of fixing the problems that people complained about for decades (costs, bureaucracy, rents, no vision apart from "consume and work") people are fixated on that right wing party itself. When I did some skydiving in my youth I was fascinated by watching sooo many skydivers barely avoiding the lone single tree near the landing zone. Turns out, if you concentrate on something ("I must avoid that tree I must avoid that tree...") you end up steering towards it. The winning move is to instead concentrate on where you do want to go. There are precious little positive ideas in our politics, it's mostly about what we don't want, or distractions on things that while it sounds nice and it's definitely okay when it gets done should never be the main focus.
- inglor_cz 10mo agoWell, roots of everything are long. We are a long-lived species and our political attention spans decades or longer. People still think of the Roman Empire and write in Latin alphabet, after all. But the actual short-term jumps in policy are absolutely wild now. That wasn't the case in the 1990s.
- expedition32 10mo agoWhat ever happened to the marketplace of ideas? When you have to rely on indoctrination and censorship your beliefs lack merit.
- relaxing 10mo ago> What ever happened to the marketplace of ideas? It has the same flaws that plague the marketplace of goods and services, but fewer consumer protections.
- vorpalhex 10mo agoAnd what is your proposed cure? You and your preferred proxy get to limit the marketplace to ideas you agree with? Perhaps we could jail people who post contradictory ones?
- redserk 10mo agoDo recognize, you're voluntarily participating in a highly moderated forum. If one were principled in their opposition to moderation, one would not voluntarily choose to use said forum for nearly a decade ;) Part of what makes Hackernews enjoyable to read is the strong and very reasonable moderation. We aren't subject to walls of Viagra/Cialis ads or back-and-forth flamewars. I'd argue it's because of content moderation that HN is an environment that generally promotes a marketplace of ideas.
- vorpalhex 9mo agoWe aren't discussing voluntary moderation.
- 6510 10mo ago> Part of what makes Hackernews enjoyable to read is the strong and very reasonable moderation. I agree with the enjoyable part but "reasonable" would require careful examination of the things that didn't make the cut and is highly subjective. I have no idea what "strong" means. Most moderation seems to get done by the voting system (powered by weak and very unreasonable users?) What is missing is a user manual to formalize this social credit system. I never knew that I have to upvote the correct posts. I thought the system was curious about my opinion. Quite preposterous in hindsight. Ill make more of an effort, who knows, in a few years we might go full North Korea retroactively. wait, did I say all that out loud?
- yencabulator 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
- toomuchtodo 10mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad
- eudamoniac 10mo agoThis is a Reddit-tier quip that keeps being repeated. It doesn't spark curious conversation: "I consider myself fairly strong and self reliant." "Okay well we are going to kick you off of every private website, try to make you lose your livelihood, and mock you relentlessly on most media broadcasting networks!" "Well, I am going to attempt to stop you from doing those things, since I don't like them. " "Ironic! You need coddling and aren't strong at all, haha, your ego is so fragile." It's very tiresome.
- twixfel 9mo agoWell done for setting up a fake conversation which makes you look smart and your opponents stupid. Master class in redditing.
- eudamoniac 9mo agoWhich of the four lines of dialogue do you feel misrepresents the situation? Line 1 is the premise of the OP; that's why it's "ironic". Line 2 is what people feel the situation is, which is why the backlash in TFA is supported by a decent chunk of voters. Line 3 is just describing the reaction, that they will try to change the situation from line 2. Line 4 is essentially the post above mine.
- qcnguy 10mo agoThey want to reduce censorship, not force people to "coddle" them. Anyone on the left can still criticize the current US administration if the censors give up. The only difference is, people on the right will be able to do the same to the next Democrat administration. If you don't think that's fair, you're the one who needs coddling.