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> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy, Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the s
by quirino 10mo ago
> As a bonus, we look forward to fewer violations (exhibit A, B, C) of our strict no LLM / no AI policy,
Hilarious how the offender on "exhibit A" [1] is the same one from the other post that made the frontpage a couple of days ago [2].
[1] https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974 https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/25974
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46039274
- jeffbee 10mo agoI agree that's a funny coincidence. But, what about the change it wanted to commit? It is at least slightly interesting. It is doubly interesting that changing line 638 neither breaks nor fixes any test.
- wavemode 10mo agoPerhaps the offset is always zero anyway in that scenario But yeah hard to say
- joelreymont 10mo agoIt was a bug in my own modes to the Zig compiler not in the stock compiler itself.
- quirino 10mo agoThere's a tweet with a Claude screenshot with a bit more context (linked on the PR). I don't know enough about the project to know if it makes any sense, but the Zig contributor seemed confused (at least about the title).
- joelreymont 10mo agoThis one https://x.com/joelreymont/status/1990981118783352952?s=20 https://x.com/joelreymont/status/1990981118783352952?s=20 I made the mistake of poorly documenting that PR.
- aeve890 10mo ago>MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH ACHIEVED the bootlicking behavior must must be like crack for wannabes. jfc >I did not write a single line of code but carefully shepherded AI over the course of several days and kept it on the straight and narrow. >AI: I need to keep track of variables moving across registers. This is too hard, let’s go shopping… Me: Hey, don’t any no shortcuts! >My work was just directing, shaping, cajoling and reviewing. How people can say that without the slightest bit of reflection on whether they're right or just spitting BS
- mikelitoris 10mo agooh god... he has a humongous AI generated PR for julia too https://github.com/tshort/StaticCompiler.jl/pull/180 https://github.com/tshort/StaticCompiler.jl/pull/180
- joelreymont 10mo agoI had $1000 in Claude credits and went to town. Yes, I made mistakes along the way.
- deleted 10mo ago[deleted]
- forgotpwd16 10mo agoThe biggest mistake, AI or not, is dropping a 10K+ PR. 300~500 LOC is how far one should be going, unless they're doing some automated refactoring. E.g. formatting the entire StaticCompiler.jl source. This should've been a distinct PR, preferably by a maintainer.
- joelreymont 10mo agoI agree with you.
- VMG 10mo agoI've seen this in other places as well. The bottleneck is not coding or creating a PR, the bottleneck is the review.
- joelreymont 10mo agoThis ought to be automated using AI. It could first judge whether the PR is frivolous, then try to review it, then flag a human if necessary. The problem is that Github, or whatever system hosts the process, should actively prevent projects from being DDOS-ed with PR reviews since using AI costs real money.
- carlmr 10mo agoI'm not sure if this is advanced trolling at this point.
- amoss 10mo agoThis is redefining the cutting edge of trolling.
- CoastalCoder 10mo agoI think the term is "frontier trolling".
- trueno 10mo agotrollblazing
- cyanydeez 10mo agoIs the. AI bubble just biolliinaires larping about their favorite dystopuan scifi?
- Sammi 10mo agoI'll one up you: at this point I'm becoming pretty sure that this is a person who actually hates LLMs, who is trying to poison the well by trying to give other people reasons to hate LLMs too.
- kibwen 10mo agoI envy your optimism. The truth is that humans are generally stupider and more craven than you have apparently even begun to conceive.
- thorn 10mo agoAh. I remember that guy. Joel. He sold his poker server and bragged around HN long time ago. He is too much of PR stunt guy recently. Unfortunately AI does not lead to people being nice in the end. The way people abuse other people using AI is crazy. Kudos to ocaml owners giving him a proper f-off but polite response.
- joelreymont 10mo agoThat one was poorly documented and may have been related to an issue in my code. I would offer this one instead. https://github.com/joelreymont/zig/pull/1 https://github.com/joelreymont/zig/pull/1
- noname120 10mo agoCan you stop wasting everyone’s time?
- debugnik 10mo agoEven after the public call-outs you keep dropping blatant ads for your blog and AI in general in your PRs; there's no other word for them than ads. This is why I blocked you on the OCaml forum already. When I was a kid, every year I'd get so obsessed about Christmas toys that the hype would fill my thoughts to the point I'd feel dizzy and throw up. I genuinely think you're going through the adult version of that: your guts might be ok but your mind is so filled with hype that you're losing self-awareness.
- rixed 10mo ago[flagged]
- debugnik 10mo agoI assume he's well meaning because I've been seeing his posts for a few months already in the OCaml forums before this pattern of his started, but he's suddenly acting irrational and doubling down. There's no way I can put that nicely, plus he's since deleted his strongest reactions so you can't grasp it fully either. This is not my first interaction with him outside HN, I already talked to him privately when this was starting to unfold in the OCaml community. Then I gave up, flagged his ads for the mods and blocked him for a few months, but I've kept encountering his drama on github and HN.
- rixed 10mo agoI've been following as well. As much as i disagree with it, I appreciate that he has the audacity to propose this "all in" attitude. I'm a bit worried by the amount of anger that border doxing at times. I'd like this community to behave better.
- brodo 10mo agoCheck out this dude: https://github.com/GhostKellz?tab=repositories https://github.com/GhostKellz?tab=repositories He's got like 50 repos with vibe-coded, non-working Zig and Rust projects. And he clearly manages to confuse people with it: https://github.com/GhostKellz/zquic/issues/2 https://github.com/GhostKellz/zquic/issues/2
- forgotpwd16 10mo agoIt is questionable if they've even tried any one of them.
- stocksinsmocks 10mo agoI don’t think this is uncommon. At one point Lemmy was a project with thousands of stars and literally no working code until finally someone other than the owner adopted it and merged in a usable product.
- PNewling 10mo agoWow, and if you go to their website listed in they're profile, not only do almost none of the links work, the one that did just linked out to the generic template that it was straight copied from. Wow.
- port11 10mo agoHustle hustle. I'm not disgusted by this person, but by the system that promotes or requires such behaviour.
- rdtsc 10mo agoMy favorite of his https://x.com/joelreymont/status/1990981118783352952 https://x.com/joelreymont/status/1990981118783352952 > Claude discovered a bug in the Zig compiler and is in the process of fixing it! ...a few minutes later... https://github.com/ziglang/zig/pull/25974 https://github.com/ziglang/zig/pull/25974 I can see a future job interview scenario: - "What would you say is your biggest professional accomplishment, Joel?" - "Well, I almost single-highhandedly drove Zig away from Github"
- ljm 10mo agoThose overly enthusiastic responses from the LLM are really going to do a number on people's egos.
- ulbu 10mo agopeople already go psychotic on LLMs lol
- ivanjermakov 10mo ago> Well, I almost single-highhandedly drove Zig away from Github If you think about it, Joel is net positive to Zig and its community!
- dreamcompiler 10mo agoMy old rule about the difference between coding and software engineering: For coding, "it seems to work for me" is good enough. For software engineering, it's not. My new rule: For coding, you can use AI to write your code. For software engineering, you can't.
- epolanski 10mo agoI absolutely don't care about how people generate code, but they are responsible for every single line they push for review or merge. That's my policy in each of my clients and it works fine, if AI makes something simpler/faster, good for the author, but there's 0, none, excuses for pushing slop or code you haven't reviewed and tested yourself thoroughly. If somebody thinks they can offset not just authoring or editing code, but also taking the responsibility for it and the impact it has on the whole codebase and the underlying business problem they should be jobless ASAP as they are de facto delegating the entirety of their job to a machine, they are not only providing 0 value, but negative value in fact.
- strix_varius 10mo agoTotally agree. For me, the hard part has been figuring out the distinction with junior engineers... Is this poorly thought out, inefficient solution that is 3x as long as necessary due to AI, or inexperience?
- manwe150 10mo agoDoes it matter? Either way seems to just reflect badly on the junior, who needs to improve their self-review skills and knowledge
- epolanski 10mo agoIt's not easy to be a junior, and we might be speaking with survivor bias, but most juniors don't end up in solid engineering teams, they are merely developers that are much cheaper and from whom you expect much less, but more often than not they are borderline left learning and figuring out things on their own. They need to luck some senior member that will nurture them and not just give them low quality work (which I admit I have done too when I had myself lots of pressure to deliver my own stuff). Even in less desperate teams, as productivity grows with AI (mine does, even if I don't author code with it it's tremendous help in just navigating repos and connecting the dots, it saves me so much time...) the reviewing pressure increases too, and with that fatigue.