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I know Tesla and the various models have their issues but the Cybertruck and the rest of the Tesla models seem like they are made from two completely different

I know Tesla and the various models have their issues but the Cybertruck and the rest of the Tesla models seem like they are made from two completely different companies. Every time I see one of these driving around trim pieces are missing from them which I don't recall seeing from any other brand.

ModernMech 10mo ago
That's because Musk personally oversaw the design of the Cybertruck and likely rejected all pleas to make sensible decisions. Musk did not design the other models. Just like how SpaceX and Tesla and Twitter seem like they have three different CEOs; the degree of their competency is inversely proportional to the amount of day-to-day feedback Musk has into their operations.
- AnotherGoodName 10mo ago
  You do see glimpses of it in the other models. Eg. The removal of the indicator stalk likely saved <$100 (if that!) but it's a non-starter for many buyers. That has to be Musk's doing right?
  - pengaru 10mo ago
    > You do see glimpses of it in the other models. Eg. The removal of the indicator stalk likely saved <$100 (if that!) but it's a non-starter for many buyers. That has to be Musk's doing right? "all input is error" - elon musk wdyt? From where I'm sitting anyone with that position would deprecate the input devices...
- estearum 10mo ago
  Musk's superpower is cult-building. His fatal flaw is that he has no idea that is his superpower.
  - baxtr 10mo ago
    "No idea" doesn’t sound right. I’d say he thinks he has many superpowers, but maybe in reality just has one.
  - jordanb 10mo ago
    His cult is a very specific type of person. The general public finds him repulsive as demonstrated by his time in government. He's a cult leader with surprisingly horrible political instincts
    - fragmede 10mo ago
      > as demonstrated by his time in government Without actually getting into the specific actions he took while in government, I dare say that what he did during that time was material to people's revulsion and that a different version of him who took different actions would have been differently popular.
      - jordanb 10mo ago
        For sure but deciding what to do is part of political instincts. He rolled in, threw some "roman salutes" fired tons of people in an insanely chaotic way while waving a chainsaw around on stage then showed up in the Whitehouse with a black eye he blamed on his toddler
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    - estearum 10mo ago
      Yeah, most cults are repulsive to most outsiders. Their power is completely derived from the intensity of the in-group's commitment.
    - mlinhares 10mo ago
      That's a requirement, part of being in a cult is being rejected by "outsiders" so that you think you have no other options other than staying in the cult. Classic abusive behavior.
- jordanb 10mo ago
  He was happy enough to be able to spell s3xy with those cars. Maybe they could have come up with something extremely juvenile for him to do while they designed a rivian
  - the_sleaze_ 10mo ago
    Like make the integrated voice-activated AI have a setting to swear at and insult you while driving
    - fluoridation 10mo ago
      Idea: A car that detects when there's only one occupant, and shouts expletives through the audio system when the driver narrowly avoids hitting something at high speed.
  - iso1631 10mo ago
    Call it a model 69 and be done Or maybe model 6/7 would be better for him nowadays
- toomuchtodo 10mo ago
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tw04 10mo ago
For all the initial PR they got, they've always had quality issues that rarely plague other manufacturers. Elon has just done a great job of creating a reality distortion field around the cars. Once he started getting into politics and the veneer started wearing off, people started asking questions. I think people forget the Model 3 literally had the bumper falling off from driving in rain. And it took Tesla a LONG time to admit to it being their fault. https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-finally-admits-model-3-bumpers-fall-off-in-rain-a-1845437462/ https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-finally-admits-model-3-bumper...
- MengerSponge 10mo ago
  Fit and finish is wildly variable. Panel gaps on the 3 and Y can be huge! I can tell which model in my office parking lot is mine solely based on the trunk and rear quarterpanel gaps.
  - rstuart4133 10mo ago
    Only for US made Tesla's. I live in Australia. We get Chinese made Tesla's here, and they have better fit and finish than the BYD's (as good as most other cars you care to name). It's odd. The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality, but cars you would be happy to own if they weren't so expensive. USA Tesla is the counter example. It makes you wonder about those self promoting stories from Elon about he saved the USA Tesla manufacturing operation by roving the manufacturing plants, making tweaks here and there. Maybe his tweaks wasn't the great boon he made them out to be.
    - toast0 10mo ago
      > The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality Lexus makes cars in the US. They have Lexus quality by definition. :P
      - MengerSponge 10mo ago
        It's easy to get quality manufacturing in the USA. It's easy to use waste disposal systems that comply with the clean water act. It's easy to provide a safe working environment and worker's compensation for people who get injured on the job. It just costs more, so Tesla doesn't do it.
malchow 10mo ago
I have a Tesla Model X and the front door and rear door aren't even latitudinally aligned.
- dawnerd 10mo ago
  My model Y leaks from the trunk and is about to go in again to see if they can fix it. Not even a first run Y either.
solfox 10mo ago
It doesn't help perception that the last time I saw a cybertruck in SF, it was broken down the middle lane with the driver slowly walking sideways parallel to traffic alongside the truck... presumably to reattach or reset something? Why anyone would pay $$$ for this POS is beyond me.
torginus 10mo ago
They literally went from an exoskeleton based truck bent into shape to an aluminium truck whose interior frame shatters on impact instead of the panels absorbing the hit - so instead of having to replace cheap plastic trim and collision absorbing metal bars, the energy gets dissipated inside the (almost unrepairable) aluminium frame. Additionally, they didn't manage to find a satisfactory solution to attach the steel panels to the frame so they glued them on. I suspect the 'parts falling off' has something to do with the inflexibility of both materials as well as the different thermal expansion coefficients. On normal cars, bodywork is either made of flexible plastic, or is attached via spring joints so that the vibration doesn't damage them - that's why you have panel gaps - so they can move around a bit. If you fix them rigidly, they're going to shake off eventually.
- specialist 10mo ago
  A monocoque design could be really cool. Like the original Mini. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini Were I in charge, I'd've started with a kei car or city car. Or something (size wise) like Telo. https://www.telotrucks.com/ https://www.telotrucks.com/ Definitely would not have started with an off-road vehicle.
guywithahat 10mo ago
I've never seen a cybertruck with a missing trim piece, and there are usually a few at my local super charger. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's certainly not some ongoing common issue like you're implying
- idop 10mo ago
  Call the NHTSA and tell them to cancel the recall then.
  - guywithahat 10mo ago
    I don't disagree that it happens/happened, just that I disagree with the implied frequency, as I've never seen it in person and I see a lot of cybertrucks at my local chargers. Also this recall is for the lightbar, the trim piece was recalled in March.
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    The recall for a dealer-installed light bar that gets glued onto the glass windshield isn't the same as panels falling off, yes.

ModernMech 10mo ago

That's because Musk personally oversaw the design of the Cybertruck and likely rejected all pleas to make sensible decisions. Musk did not design the other models. Just like how SpaceX and Tesla and Twitter seem like they have three different CEOs; the degree of their competency is inversely proportional to the amount of day-to-day feedback Musk has into their operations.

AnotherGoodName 10mo ago
You do see glimpses of it in the other models. Eg. The removal of the indicator stalk likely saved <$100 (if that!) but it's a non-starter for many buyers. That has to be Musk's doing right?
- pengaru 10mo ago
  > You do see glimpses of it in the other models. Eg. The removal of the indicator stalk likely saved <$100 (if that!) but it's a non-starter for many buyers. That has to be Musk's doing right? "all input is error" - elon musk wdyt? From where I'm sitting anyone with that position would deprecate the input devices...
estearum 10mo ago
Musk's superpower is cult-building. His fatal flaw is that he has no idea that is his superpower.
- baxtr 10mo ago
  "No idea" doesn’t sound right. I’d say he thinks he has many superpowers, but maybe in reality just has one.
- jordanb 10mo ago
  His cult is a very specific type of person. The general public finds him repulsive as demonstrated by his time in government. He's a cult leader with surprisingly horrible political instincts
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    > as demonstrated by his time in government Without actually getting into the specific actions he took while in government, I dare say that what he did during that time was material to people's revulsion and that a different version of him who took different actions would have been differently popular.
    - jordanb 10mo ago
      For sure but deciding what to do is part of political instincts. He rolled in, threw some "roman salutes" fired tons of people in an insanely chaotic way while waving a chainsaw around on stage then showed up in the Whitehouse with a black eye he blamed on his toddler
  - deleted 10mo ago
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  - estearum 10mo ago
    Yeah, most cults are repulsive to most outsiders. Their power is completely derived from the intensity of the in-group's commitment.
  - mlinhares 10mo ago
    That's a requirement, part of being in a cult is being rejected by "outsiders" so that you think you have no other options other than staying in the cult. Classic abusive behavior.
jordanb 10mo ago
He was happy enough to be able to spell s3xy with those cars. Maybe they could have come up with something extremely juvenile for him to do while they designed a rivian
- the_sleaze_ 10mo ago
  Like make the integrated voice-activated AI have a setting to swear at and insult you while driving
  - fluoridation 10mo ago
    Idea: A car that detects when there's only one occupant, and shouts expletives through the audio system when the driver narrowly avoids hitting something at high speed.
- iso1631 10mo ago
  Call it a model 69 and be done Or maybe model 6/7 would be better for him nowadays
toomuchtodo 10mo ago
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tw04 10mo ago

For all the initial PR they got, they've always had quality issues that rarely plague other manufacturers. Elon has just done a great job of creating a reality distortion field around the cars. Once he started getting into politics and the veneer started wearing off, people started asking questions. I think people forget the Model 3 literally had the bumper falling off from driving in rain. And it took Tesla a LONG time to admit to it being their fault. https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-finally-admits-model-3-bumpers-fall-off-in-rain-a-1845437462/ https://www.jalopnik.com/tesla-finally-admits-model-3-bumper...

MengerSponge 10mo ago
Fit and finish is wildly variable. Panel gaps on the 3 and Y can be huge! I can tell which model in my office parking lot is mine solely based on the trunk and rear quarterpanel gaps.
- rstuart4133 10mo ago
  Only for US made Tesla's. I live in Australia. We get Chinese made Tesla's here, and they have better fit and finish than the BYD's (as good as most other cars you care to name). It's odd. The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality, but cars you would be happy to own if they weren't so expensive. USA Tesla is the counter example. It makes you wonder about those self promoting stories from Elon about he saved the USA Tesla manufacturing operation by roving the manufacturing plants, making tweaks here and there. Maybe his tweaks wasn't the great boon he made them out to be.
  - toast0 10mo ago
    > The USA can make quality cars. Not Lexus quality Lexus makes cars in the US. They have Lexus quality by definition. :P
    - MengerSponge 10mo ago
      It's easy to get quality manufacturing in the USA. It's easy to use waste disposal systems that comply with the clean water act. It's easy to provide a safe working environment and worker's compensation for people who get injured on the job. It just costs more, so Tesla doesn't do it.

malchow 10mo ago

I have a Tesla Model X and the front door and rear door aren't even latitudinally aligned.

dawnerd 10mo ago
My model Y leaks from the trunk and is about to go in again to see if they can fix it. Not even a first run Y either.

solfox 10mo ago

It doesn't help perception that the last time I saw a cybertruck in SF, it was broken down the middle lane with the driver slowly walking sideways parallel to traffic alongside the truck... presumably to reattach or reset something? Why anyone would pay $$$ for this POS is beyond me.

torginus 10mo ago

They literally went from an exoskeleton based truck bent into shape to an aluminium truck whose interior frame shatters on impact instead of the panels absorbing the hit - so instead of having to replace cheap plastic trim and collision absorbing metal bars, the energy gets dissipated inside the (almost unrepairable) aluminium frame. Additionally, they didn't manage to find a satisfactory solution to attach the steel panels to the frame so they glued them on. I suspect the 'parts falling off' has something to do with the inflexibility of both materials as well as the different thermal expansion coefficients. On normal cars, bodywork is either made of flexible plastic, or is attached via spring joints so that the vibration doesn't damage them - that's why you have panel gaps - so they can move around a bit. If you fix them rigidly, they're going to shake off eventually.

specialist 10mo ago
A monocoque design could be really cool. Like the original Mini. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini Were I in charge, I'd've started with a kei car or city car. Or something (size wise) like Telo. https://www.telotrucks.com/ https://www.telotrucks.com/ Definitely would not have started with an off-road vehicle.

guywithahat 10mo ago

I've never seen a cybertruck with a missing trim piece, and there are usually a few at my local super charger. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's certainly not some ongoing common issue like you're implying

idop 10mo ago
Call the NHTSA and tell them to cancel the recall then.
- guywithahat 10mo ago
  I don't disagree that it happens/happened, just that I disagree with the implied frequency, as I've never seen it in person and I see a lot of cybertrucks at my local chargers. Also this recall is for the lightbar, the trim piece was recalled in March.
- fragmede 10mo ago
  The recall for a dealer-installed light bar that gets glued onto the glass windshield isn't the same as panels falling off, yes.