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Stepping Down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors
- oldpersonintx2 11mo ago[dead]
- draxter65 11mo ago[flagged]
- cianuro_ 11mo agoI do not have the Framework specific context, but I have seen this[1] post being shared frequently when talking about DHH. 1. https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64
- ranger_danger 11mo agohttps://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/ https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...
- periodjet 11mo ago[flagged]
- omnimus 11mo agoGo do their community job, Framework needs you. Calling people entitled because they left community job they have every right to leave… isn't that a bit entitled? Don't you think?
- bfkwlfkjf 11mo ago> blinded by the Western patriarchal narrative that technology in itself is not political I have no idea what this was supposed to mean.
- fragmede 11mo agoIs (a given) technology good or bad? Western culture says it's not, that technology is neutral. Others have conflicting opinions.
- ffsm8 11mo agoAnd what does a "patriarchy" have to do with anything? People that unironically use that word are generally better ignored. And after reading the linked comment thread they're trying to portrait as problematic... I can only say that framework is better off without them. They're not in a healthy mindset and will inevitably drum up controversy for asinine things, worsening the image of Framework
- bfkwlfkjf 10mo agoFalse. Western culture bans plenty of technologies. For example, guns and drugs.
- fragmede 10mo ago"Every single last bit of technology is freely available in every single western country" is not a claim I made.
- sjfkeifj 11mo agoAllow me to explain through an example: When I protest that LLMs stole the collective creative output of all of humanity and are now trying to sell it back to us to supplant human creative output, or that it is an ecological, or economic, disaster, further consolidating wealth and power in a few narcissistic sociopaths, and defendants reply, "bUt ThE CApAbIlitIEs!!1!"
- api 11mo agoThat’s not a problem with LLMs as a technology. It’s a problem with how LLM companies have been allowed to violate copyright at industrial scale. It’s a political and social problem. The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation. Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way? My position is that LLMs trained without proper copyright authorization should not be copyrightable. They should be public domain. As for the energy use: we either get our energy from polluting sources or we don’t. What we do with it is secondary. If we’re not using it to run AI we’d be using it to get a burrito delivered.
- cianuro_ 11mo agoIt is OK to separate yourself from a group when you deeply disagree with their actions, no matter how insignificant it might seem to a different group of people. However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again. I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
- hitekker 10mo agoApparently, the two resignees refused to talk to the CEO of Framework despite the CEO offering his time https://pan.rent/@jcape@hachyderm.io/115486043718543717 https://pan.rent/@jcape@hachyderm.io/115486043718543717 Too bad. I think the offer to talk is a respectful move. The CEO doesn't seem to be trying to fob them off, unlike Mozilla's recent translator mess.
- arprocter 11mo agoPrevious thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45526715 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45526715
- BoredPositron 11mo agoGood for them. Standing up for ones own morality is what we should all aim for no matter the personal consequences or political side.
- ptdorf 11mo ago[flagged]
- panja 11mo agoAre the woke brigades in the room with us
- darthnebula 11mo agoI really hope Framework ignores these people. They are not Linux Ambassadors, they are political activists. These people only care about their ideology and anyone who doesn't blindly follow it gets defamed. I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.
- cthulha 11mo agoSociety can't function when people aren't allowed to make their own choices. Why can't they choose political activism? What on earth binds them to a corporate entity and over-rides their agency? If you want to step up and be an Ambassador, go for it! But if you think they should be compelled to do so, that's an ideological/political point of view of yours and you need to substantiate it.
- throwawaypath 10mo ago>Society can't function when people aren't allowed to make their own choices. >Why can't they choose political activism? What on earth binds them to a corporate entity and over-rides their agency? For the same reasons you don't want Christians proselytizing at work, or using a company's platform to talk about their Lord and savior.
- omnimus 11mo agoWhat is their ideology? Being political activists? How? These are two people stepping down from community position because they don't agree with actions/direction of the project. There is nothing bizarre about that. They posted why they don't agree and that's it.
- LexiMax 11mo ago> What is their ideology? Being political activists? How? In today's post-truth landscape, words no longer mean their literal meaning, but are used as weapons. The person you were replying to is very much aware that they are not literally a political activist. However, they find their positions so disagreeable that they want to label them as political activists because it creates a very specific connotation in people's heads. It is about the furthest thing from a good faith framing that you can possibly get. But it's pretty par for course on Hacker News.
- samtheDamned 11mo agoThis comment sums up my own feelings towards this concisely : > This is not a “I do not like this distribution” kind of argument. > This is a “the people you are sending my money to want me and my friends dead or deported” kind of argument. from: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/2 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ... Beyond the disappointment I have in framework for giving my money to someone so clearly off the rails, it's also disappointing to see it wasted on such a poor distribution as well. Omarchy, in isolation, is just a bloated arch install with thrown together scripts, zoom, spotify, and google apps preinstalled. I appreciate that it brought new people into linux but there are countless more polished and creative distributions that would be excellent to see partner with framework instead.
- khiemdn 11mo agoThey also sponsored other open source projects, which is good for community. A distro is not good doesnt mean it does not deserve sponsorship
- samtheDamned 11mo agoI agree with that sentiment, and I think if framework had been working with several small lower quality distributions to support the overall ecosystem this may not have come across as poorly as it did. Looking at their supported distros they have, officially: Fedora, Ubuntu, Bazzite, and then community: Linux Mint, Arch, Bluefin, and NixOS. Each of these are high quality projects that each fill a niche well and while no longer listed Omarchy stood out as being much less polished than the others.
- mostlysimilar 11mo ago> is just a bloated arch install with thrown together scripts, zoom, spotify, and google apps preinstalled. Don't forget the pre-installed Basecamp and Hey!
- orwin 11mo agoI usually stay afar of those 'too political for tech/gaming' stuff as long as no one is harassed (like Hyprland), but Omarchy is a litter box of a distrib, and doesn't deserve any money. I'd even take Ubuntu over it.
- omnimus 11mo ago100% agree. I am not even sure why would company wanted to support that type of half baked distro that brings nothing... except dhh? Seems like they want him to endorse them so they bribe him by supporting his pet project.
- grimblee 11mo ago1. Fascists should be fought everywhere and all the time so their ideas never get normalized. 2. Everything we do is political, tech is VERY political, stop daydreaming. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance lest it gets destroyed by it.
- grigio 11mo ago[flagged]
- grimblee 11mo agoYou are not even worth answering, go educate yourself on what fascism means
- tomhow 10mo agoPlease avoid commenting like this on HN. We're here for curious conversation, not ideological battle. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- tomhow 10mo agoMaybe so but please avoid mini-sermons like this on HN. We're here for curious conversation, not these kinds of grand pronouncements; it's likely far more effective to speak to one another normally, as peers rather than barraging people with rhertoric. Please have a read of the guidelines and try to keep things conversational in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- grigio 11mo ago[flagged]
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