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Everyone developer who worked hard to make windows phone die. Hope you're happy.

by vezycash 11mo ago

rcarmo 11mo ago
I was a telco product manager at the time and I can tell you right away that it wasn't developers that killed Windows Phone. This book (https://asokan.org/operation-elop/ https://asokan.org/operation-elop/) tells part of the story, but the telcos I worked for (and competed with) definitely played a big role.
- paul_h 11mo ago
  That book is new to me. I wrote https://paulhammant.com/2013/05/07/android-and-the-art-of-war https://paulhammant.com/2013/05/07/android-and-the-art-of-wa... on Google vs MSFT and phones before the book. Mine's a perspective that doesn't mention Nokia or its leadership. I did own a Treo and loved it up to the OG iPhone - I repaired the eff out of it in the hope that something worthy would come along. I kidded myself I would write apps for it. I'd previously played with Simbian tech (and met a very bitter Simbian team dev in London one "eXtreme Tuesday Club" meetup in 2003). I had a Psion Organizer way back and Palm pilot. I thought Palm's WebOS stood a chance. I still own a Ubuntu Phone that I don't use - single script QML apps would have been the killer, but all that's passed now.
Nextgrid 11mo ago
> who worked hard to make windows phone die You mean Microsoft? No backwards-compatibility with Windows Mobile to begin with (so companies can't reuse their existing investment into line-of-business apps on actually nice modern devices either), then they reset the ecosystem 2 times (once during the WP7->WP8 transition, another time during the Windows 10 transition).
- actionfromafar 11mo ago
  Well put. Microsoft following the "Double barrel shotgun, apply one wad per foot." (Reset ecosystem 2 times.)
terminalshort 11mo ago
Let's not pretend that MSFT would have been one tiny bit better here.
efilife 11mo ago
I don't understand this sentence. Can someone rephrase?
Andrex 11mo ago
I am, mostly because Windows Phone 7 always did what Google is attempting to do here. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4229029/can-you-install-you-own-apps-on-your-windows-7-phone https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4229029/can-you-install-... At least we got 10+ years of real sideloading on consumer devices thanks to WP7's death.
sergeykish 11mo ago
Windows RT "sideloading" denied for ordinary users, costly for Line-of-Business apps (2012). Microsoft UWP only Microsoft Store. Microsoft backtracked their walled garden Windows plans for a while as result of Windows Phone fiasco. Yes, we are.

Everyone developer who worked hard to make windows phone die. Hope you're happy.

rcarmo 11mo ago

I was a telco product manager at the time and I can tell you right away that it wasn't developers that killed Windows Phone. This book (https://asokan.org/operation-elop/ https://asokan.org/operation-elop/) tells part of the story, but the telcos I worked for (and competed with) definitely played a big role.

paul_h 11mo ago
That book is new to me. I wrote https://paulhammant.com/2013/05/07/android-and-the-art-of-war https://paulhammant.com/2013/05/07/android-and-the-art-of-wa... on Google vs MSFT and phones before the book. Mine's a perspective that doesn't mention Nokia or its leadership. I did own a Treo and loved it up to the OG iPhone - I repaired the eff out of it in the hope that something worthy would come along. I kidded myself I would write apps for it. I'd previously played with Simbian tech (and met a very bitter Simbian team dev in London one "eXtreme Tuesday Club" meetup in 2003). I had a Psion Organizer way back and Palm pilot. I thought Palm's WebOS stood a chance. I still own a Ubuntu Phone that I don't use - single script QML apps would have been the killer, but all that's passed now.

Nextgrid 11mo ago

> who worked hard to make windows phone die You mean Microsoft? No backwards-compatibility with Windows Mobile to begin with (so companies can't reuse their existing investment into line-of-business apps on actually nice modern devices either), then they reset the ecosystem 2 times (once during the WP7->WP8 transition, another time during the Windows 10 transition).

actionfromafar 11mo ago
Well put. Microsoft following the "Double barrel shotgun, apply one wad per foot." (Reset ecosystem 2 times.)

terminalshort 11mo ago

Let's not pretend that MSFT would have been one tiny bit better here.

efilife 11mo ago

I don't understand this sentence. Can someone rephrase?

Andrex 11mo ago

I am, mostly because Windows Phone 7 always did what Google is attempting to do here. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4229029/can-you-install-you-own-apps-on-your-windows-7-phone https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4229029/can-you-install-... At least we got 10+ years of real sideloading on consumer devices thanks to WP7's death.

sergeykish 11mo ago

Windows RT "sideloading" denied for ordinary users, costly for Line-of-Business apps (2012). Microsoft UWP only Microsoft Store. Microsoft backtracked their walled garden Windows plans for a while as result of Windows Phone fiasco. Yes, we are.