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Windows 10 support ends on October 14, 2025

50 points by MaximilianEmel 11mo ago

hu3 11mo ago
Initial release date: July 29, 2015 That's over 10 years of support. Not bad
- cwillu 11mo ago
  “Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.” --Microsoft
  - beardyw 11mo ago
    I believed that. My conversion Windows 7 to 10 failed. I went to Ubuntu without any problems. I had a lucky escape.
    - 1718627440 11mo ago
      Just yesterday I installed both Windows 10 and Windows 7 (and Windows XP). Windows7 is so much more consistent, faster. (It's still from Microsoft, so it also sucks.)
      - tracker1 11mo ago
        I think the two versions of Windows I remember most fondly are Windows 2000 *not ME) and Windows 7. I used a replacement shell for explorer on Win2k for several years until I finally switched to XP+SP3... I think Win2K was the last consistent UI version of Windows... everything felt like it belonged together in terms of look and feel. With Win7, I liked the enhancements to the new taskbar, but other than that didn't care for much. Since then it's been an increasingly half baked mess.
  - munchlax 11mo ago
    We just ship everyone the latest beta and let the users do the testing. That's why we made sure you can't disable telemetry unless you pay up for an enterprise-level eula. Good luck submitting error and telemetry reports whenever an update bricks your motherboard. FTFY
  - 2III7 11mo ago
    I also believed them. Never again. Also Windows 11 is okay.
    - rocketvole 11mo ago
      ... but it seems to be worse than windows 10 in terms of performance while adding nothing substantially different
      - munchlax 11mo ago
        Oh but it is quite different. Even notepad is completely fucked up. mmc and cmd still virtually unchanged since 1999
- zigzag312 11mo ago
  That's just the best case scenario. Few migrated to it in 2015. Windows 10 was sold for years. Windows 11 initial release date: October 5, 2021. That's 4 years of support after successor was released.
  - tracker1 11mo ago
    Dunno.. Windows 8.0 and 8.1 were ass... Windows 10 was slightly less ass.
- hulitu 11mo ago
  > That's over 10 years of support. Not bad This reminds of "Windows is a single platform" rant from some 20 years ago.
netdevphoenix 11mo ago
Any bets on Windows extending the deadline or providing free security updates for a while as soon as the first sec vulnerability news hits a significant number of customers?
- Akronymus 11mo ago
  99% likely, though I expect it to be for europeans only. At least IMO.
- kungito 11mo ago
  But they litterally are doing this. And also EU made them make it free for EU citizens so its free in EU and 30$ in the rest of the world afaik. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-updates https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-up...
  - sunaookami 11mo ago
    Yes, it's free for one year if you sign into an MS account.
    - micronn 11mo ago
      Which makes it not free.
      - kungito 11mo ago
        You have to log into w11 anyways as a must, no avoiding it. Sure you wouldnt call this free from purist perspective but from consumer perspective it is
        1718627440 11mo ago
        It's not free, it's gratis.
        netdevphoenix 11mo ago
theandrewbailey 11mo ago
I work at an ewaste recycling company. Just yesterday, I sold a desktop to someone expressly so that he would have supported hardware for Windows 11 in light of Windows 10 support ending.
akimbostrawman 11mo ago
https://endof10.org/ https://endof10.org/
- Woodi 11mo ago
  I like Linux & Co and do not like Windows accounts etc but "MS wants you buy new computer" is anti slogan. We need new hardware ASAP! ' Problem is: hardware we want probably do not exists yet :) RowHammer ? Are new Intel cpu arch resistant to speculations or how better it is then HT? "Android GPU speculations" from todays news ? That MS probably wants to bake two tings at once - some security and a lot of slavery - is totally different problem.
  - akimbostrawman 11mo ago
    It's far more likely a PC gets physically stolen than rowhammer, spectre or any other advanced hardware specific exploit being used. Linux is already much more secure than Windows even on insecure hardware by not encouraging downloading proprietary unverified executables from google which on top is infested with malwaretising or even comes preinstalled with them. That is how 99% of malware actually does damage.
wvbdmp 11mo ago
I keep telling people they’re not going to get owned just by booting a Windows 10 machine after october 14. Most people visit Google, Amazon, Youtube, Pinterest and Netflix and not much else. If you run sketchy stuff and click sketchy links, you could get owned under support, too. And if the NSA wants to spy on you specifically, Windows 11 isn’t going to stop them. The most pressing (non-compliance) reason to upgrade from Windows 10 is always just going to be that newer software versions may stop working. Perhaps most importantly games and Microsoft’s own stuff.
- sunaookami 11mo ago
  You need an up2date browser with adblocker, that's the most important thing. I guess browsers will be supported for a few more years but after that you should definitely not use Windows 10 in fear of e.g. 0days served via ads and just use a Linux distribution instead (or better yet, do it now instead of buying new hardware just for Win11 or using crude hacks and unsupported workarounds).
- rasz 11mo ago
  You are losing against Microsoft marketing. In Europe one of the biggest electronic chains MediaMarkt (think bestbuy in its heyday) is currently running commercials targeting older audience and clearly co-financed by Microsoft. Its all about dangers of doing basic ecommerce on "old unsupported computers" and how you are going to have all of your data and identity stolen if you dont upgrade _right now_ to a new computer with Win11.
  - The_President 11mo ago
    Funny how I just cleaned out a Windows 11 computer infested with malware that was used by a professional and infiltrated with an unknown vector. We think it was compromised via an ad.
    - janwl 11mo ago
      A professional who didn’t use an ad blocker?
general1465 11mo ago
I think that a lot of hardware which "does not support" Windows 11 actually does after BIOS/UEFI update or reconfiguration. I myself had 2 such examples from like 20 computers in the company. - A board with AMD Ryzen needed to fTPM enabled - A different board from Gigabyte I think had wonky Secure Boot support, but after BIOS update everything worked just alright and Windows 11 has installed itself without a problem.
- alyandon 11mo ago
  Same for my parents - one of their desktops that they were going to leave on Windows 10 needed to have tpm and secure boot turned on in bios and suddenly it was Windows 11 compliant.
- deaf_coder 11mo ago
  It might be a little sketchy for some, but you can patch the .iso to remove the TPM requirement and get Windows 11 to install on non-compliant computers. I forgot where to download the patch from, it was from some GitHub page I found on the internet. I have done it so on my ancient desktop with Intel i5-3750K without issues.
Bender 11mo ago
Given Microsoft created this problem by requiring updated hardware for Windows 11 I suspect this may lead to the same issue that happened with Windows XP. There will be a myriad of ISO's floating around the web with Windows 10 and some slip-streamed updates from paid accounts and who knows what else embedded that people will be using both privately and in their companies to keep things running. This may be a boon for malware distributors and state actors.
LocalH 11mo ago
massgrave my beloved
SpecialistK 11mo ago
If your PC actually can't run Windows 11 (older than Nehalem/Bulldozer) then you should: * fresh install 10 21H2 LTSC IoT using "methods" - this will keep receiving Windows patches until 2032 (although 3rd party software may end support sooner) or * move to a supported Linux distro (Debian 13 with XFCE would be a safe bet) or * buy a new computer because 15 years is pretty old for a PC If your PC can run Windows 11, but Microsoft don't support it (1st-7th gen Intel or AMD FX-Zen 1) then use 11 24H2 LTSC IoT. If your PC does support Windows 11 but you're finally sick of Microsoft's bullpoop... 11 24H2 LTSC IoT. Basically use 21H2 LTSC for old machines, and 24H2 LTSC for new machines. I honestly believe MS makes this version available (and so easy to activate) just to keep HN-types happy. Far less crap, still get security updates, and you'll probably reinstall in a few years once software support gets in the way or a new Windows release adds features you want (but won't be pushed because LTSC.) It actually makes Windows acceptable to use and acts like versions before 10 (it's one branch which gets patched, not upgrades every 6 months) Of course moving to a better platform (Linux or BSD) would be preferred, but sometimes we still need to use Windows...
lordkrandel 11mo ago
Oh no! I will have to switch from Archlinux to NixOS now! ... no... wait...

50 points by MaximilianEmel 11mo ago

hu3 11mo ago

Initial release date: July 29, 2015 That's over 10 years of support. Not bad

cwillu 11mo ago
“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.” --Microsoft
- beardyw 11mo ago
  I believed that. My conversion Windows 7 to 10 failed. I went to Ubuntu without any problems. I had a lucky escape.
  - 1718627440 11mo ago
    Just yesterday I installed both Windows 10 and Windows 7 (and Windows XP). Windows7 is so much more consistent, faster. (It's still from Microsoft, so it also sucks.)
    - tracker1 11mo ago
      I think the two versions of Windows I remember most fondly are Windows 2000 *not ME) and Windows 7. I used a replacement shell for explorer on Win2k for several years until I finally switched to XP+SP3... I think Win2K was the last consistent UI version of Windows... everything felt like it belonged together in terms of look and feel. With Win7, I liked the enhancements to the new taskbar, but other than that didn't care for much. Since then it's been an increasingly half baked mess.
- munchlax 11mo ago
  We just ship everyone the latest beta and let the users do the testing. That's why we made sure you can't disable telemetry unless you pay up for an enterprise-level eula. Good luck submitting error and telemetry reports whenever an update bricks your motherboard. FTFY
- 2III7 11mo ago
  I also believed them. Never again. Also Windows 11 is okay.
  - rocketvole 11mo ago
    ... but it seems to be worse than windows 10 in terms of performance while adding nothing substantially different
    - munchlax 11mo ago
      Oh but it is quite different. Even notepad is completely fucked up. mmc and cmd still virtually unchanged since 1999
zigzag312 11mo ago
That's just the best case scenario. Few migrated to it in 2015. Windows 10 was sold for years. Windows 11 initial release date: October 5, 2021. That's 4 years of support after successor was released.
- tracker1 11mo ago
  Dunno.. Windows 8.0 and 8.1 were ass... Windows 10 was slightly less ass.
hulitu 11mo ago
> That's over 10 years of support. Not bad This reminds of "Windows is a single platform" rant from some 20 years ago.

netdevphoenix 11mo ago

Any bets on Windows extending the deadline or providing free security updates for a while as soon as the first sec vulnerability news hits a significant number of customers?

Akronymus 11mo ago
99% likely, though I expect it to be for europeans only. At least IMO.
kungito 11mo ago
But they litterally are doing this. And also EU made them make it free for EU citizens so its free in EU and 30$ in the rest of the world afaik. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-updates https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/extended-security-up...
- sunaookami 11mo ago
  Yes, it's free for one year if you sign into an MS account.
  - micronn 11mo ago
    Which makes it not free.
    - kungito 11mo ago
      You have to log into w11 anyways as a must, no avoiding it. Sure you wouldnt call this free from purist perspective but from consumer perspective it is
      - 1718627440 11mo ago
        It's not free, it's gratis.
      - netdevphoenix 11mo ago

theandrewbailey 11mo ago

I work at an ewaste recycling company. Just yesterday, I sold a desktop to someone expressly so that he would have supported hardware for Windows 11 in light of Windows 10 support ending.

akimbostrawman 11mo ago

https://endof10.org/ https://endof10.org/

Woodi 11mo ago
I like Linux & Co and do not like Windows accounts etc but "MS wants you buy new computer" is anti slogan. We need new hardware ASAP! ' Problem is: hardware we want probably do not exists yet :) RowHammer ? Are new Intel cpu arch resistant to speculations or how better it is then HT? "Android GPU speculations" from todays news ? That MS probably wants to bake two tings at once - some security and a lot of slavery - is totally different problem.
- akimbostrawman 11mo ago
  It's far more likely a PC gets physically stolen than rowhammer, spectre or any other advanced hardware specific exploit being used. Linux is already much more secure than Windows even on insecure hardware by not encouraging downloading proprietary unverified executables from google which on top is infested with malwaretising or even comes preinstalled with them. That is how 99% of malware actually does damage.

wvbdmp 11mo ago

I keep telling people they’re not going to get owned just by booting a Windows 10 machine after october 14. Most people visit Google, Amazon, Youtube, Pinterest and Netflix and not much else. If you run sketchy stuff and click sketchy links, you could get owned under support, too. And if the NSA wants to spy on you specifically, Windows 11 isn’t going to stop them. The most pressing (non-compliance) reason to upgrade from Windows 10 is always just going to be that newer software versions may stop working. Perhaps most importantly games and Microsoft’s own stuff.

sunaookami 11mo ago
You need an up2date browser with adblocker, that's the most important thing. I guess browsers will be supported for a few more years but after that you should definitely not use Windows 10 in fear of e.g. 0days served via ads and just use a Linux distribution instead (or better yet, do it now instead of buying new hardware just for Win11 or using crude hacks and unsupported workarounds).
rasz 11mo ago
You are losing against Microsoft marketing. In Europe one of the biggest electronic chains MediaMarkt (think bestbuy in its heyday) is currently running commercials targeting older audience and clearly co-financed by Microsoft. Its all about dangers of doing basic ecommerce on "old unsupported computers" and how you are going to have all of your data and identity stolen if you dont upgrade _right now_ to a new computer with Win11.
- The_President 11mo ago
  Funny how I just cleaned out a Windows 11 computer infested with malware that was used by a professional and infiltrated with an unknown vector. We think it was compromised via an ad.
  - janwl 11mo ago
    A professional who didn’t use an ad blocker?

general1465 11mo ago

I think that a lot of hardware which "does not support" Windows 11 actually does after BIOS/UEFI update or reconfiguration. I myself had 2 such examples from like 20 computers in the company. - A board with AMD Ryzen needed to fTPM enabled - A different board from Gigabyte I think had wonky Secure Boot support, but after BIOS update everything worked just alright and Windows 11 has installed itself without a problem.

alyandon 11mo ago
Same for my parents - one of their desktops that they were going to leave on Windows 10 needed to have tpm and secure boot turned on in bios and suddenly it was Windows 11 compliant.
deaf_coder 11mo ago
It might be a little sketchy for some, but you can patch the .iso to remove the TPM requirement and get Windows 11 to install on non-compliant computers. I forgot where to download the patch from, it was from some GitHub page I found on the internet. I have done it so on my ancient desktop with Intel i5-3750K without issues.

Bender 11mo ago

Given Microsoft created this problem by requiring updated hardware for Windows 11 I suspect this may lead to the same issue that happened with Windows XP. There will be a myriad of ISO's floating around the web with Windows 10 and some slip-streamed updates from paid accounts and who knows what else embedded that people will be using both privately and in their companies to keep things running. This may be a boon for malware distributors and state actors.

LocalH 11mo ago

massgrave my beloved

SpecialistK 11mo ago

If your PC actually can't run Windows 11 (older than Nehalem/Bulldozer) then you should: * fresh install 10 21H2 LTSC IoT using "methods" - this will keep receiving Windows patches until 2032 (although 3rd party software may end support sooner) or * move to a supported Linux distro (Debian 13 with XFCE would be a safe bet) or * buy a new computer because 15 years is pretty old for a PC If your PC can run Windows 11, but Microsoft don't support it (1st-7th gen Intel or AMD FX-Zen 1) then use 11 24H2 LTSC IoT. If your PC does support Windows 11 but you're finally sick of Microsoft's bullpoop... 11 24H2 LTSC IoT. Basically use 21H2 LTSC for old machines, and 24H2 LTSC for new machines. I honestly believe MS makes this version available (and so easy to activate) just to keep HN-types happy. Far less crap, still get security updates, and you'll probably reinstall in a few years once software support gets in the way or a new Windows release adds features you want (but won't be pushed because LTSC.) It actually makes Windows acceptable to use and acts like versions before 10 (it's one branch which gets patched, not upgrades every 6 months) Of course moving to a better platform (Linux or BSD) would be preferred, but sometimes we still need to use Windows...

lordkrandel 11mo ago

Oh no! I will have to switch from Archlinux to NixOS now! ... no... wait...