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Beyond that, it’s buggy and inconsistent. In dark mode, text boxes suddenly become light mode when they expand to add a second entry line. Buttons aren’t aligne

by bavent 11mo ago

Beyond that, it’s buggy and inconsistent. In dark mode, text boxes suddenly become light mode when they expand to add a second entry line. Buttons aren’t aligned within their containers properly. Some times buttons are in light mode when my phone is in dark mode, or if I open an app, it starts out in light mode and then suddenly switches to dark mode after a second or two. There is a noticeable lag when I back out of a message before it loads the other conversations in iMessage. I think I had tracked 15+ things I would easily qualify as bugs the first two days after upgrading my phone - this would be absolutely unacceptable where I work, and we aren’t a trillion-dollar company with psychotic hiring standards. Was this even QAed? I don’t like the look, but that’s a personal thing, these are actual issues that are not subjective.

andix 11mo ago
In my opinion Liquid Glass is still an alpha release. Nothing is really finished, it's conceptually unfinished, the changes are not well thought through, and it's really buggy. I think they failed with Apple Intelligence (also a mess, without being useful) and needed something big. So they planned this big design change. When they realized they failed miserably, it was too late to undo it.
- tsunamifury 11mo ago
  Liquid Glass was clearly rushed to cover for the total failure of Apple Intelligence. Even the design being criticized distracts from fraudulently selling phones based on features never shipped.
  - andix 11mo ago
    The recently presented ChatGPT apps are what Apple Intelligence (and Siri) should've been. Some chat/voice interface, that can access data from installed apps and trigger actions. It should've been a home run for Apple. ChatGPT starts with zero existing apps, Apple has one of the biggest app ecosystem, and with (Siri) Shortcuts they already have most of the necessary interfaces available for years.
    - SV_BubbleTime 11mo ago
      Apple still has an ultimate advantage. They have your context. OpenAI doesn’t know where you are. It doesn’t know what you bought or when you last called your wife, it can’t know your heart rate or your work schedule. Apple can turn it around. Great AI is a good model with lots of context. Your model can be the best, but if you need the user to provide the context it’ll never be a great experience. After working with Claude code for a while now, I’ve become much more aware of how to convey context to a machine, and just how poor some humans are at doing it in conversation. Your AI product is toast if you need people to make it work.
      - andix 11mo ago
        Yes, Apple still has the advantage over OpenAI. But OpenAI can also release some iOS and Android integration layer, that allows to connect with installed apps on the device. If Apple doesn't get their act together with the next iOS release, it could be too late.
        deaux 11mo ago
        OpenAI can't, they're completely dependent on Apple and Google permitting such a thing. Unless you have a particular way in mind they could currently achieve this?
        SV_BubbleTime 11mo ago
        This is what I was getting at. Permissions in an app are one thing, but if Apple or Google wanted to they could go way deeper.
        andix 11mo ago
        They can integrate into third party apps, if the publishers want to. A lot of them are going to do it. It's already possible to connect Gmail, and many other services, this can extend even more. The connection of those services could be done by the iOS/Android apps.
- wltr 11mo ago
  Also, I think they will work through bugs, but the losers with the older devices aren’t going to get it.
ChrisMarshallNY 11mo ago
One of the issues is almost certainly that the app developers didn't add the UIDesignRequiresCompatibility = YES[0] item to the Info.plist. Set that, and it doesn't use Liquid Glass in your app. I set it for all my apps. One was designed by a professional designer, who absolutely defecated masonry, when I showed him what it did to our app. I'm worried that Apple may end up ignoring that flag, and will force us to use LG. That would suck. It says that it's temporary, but I'll bet that Apple will be hating life, if they ignore it. I'm not freaking out about Liquid Glass, but I don't like it. I completely agree that it is quite unusable. [0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/BundleResources/Information-Property-List/UIDesignRequiresCompatibility https://developer.apple.com/documentation/BundleResources/In...
- bavent 11mo ago
  I’m referring entirely to built-in Apple apps - Mail, Messages, etc. The in-house apps can’t even get it right, which to me means: - devs are so siloed, nobody knows what’s going on - product is not communicating anything outside of individual fiefdoms - there is zero QA testing - no designers are actually signing off on the final results …which all seem pretty typical for a large bureaucracy, I guess I just had higher expectations of Apple, since we pay a premium for their products. Some of these bugs are frankly pretty embarrassing.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 11mo ago
    A lot of them are SwiftUI apps. I feel that SwiftUI is not ripe. I use it for one of my apps (I have to, in order to use the charts), but it’s too limited to use for anything else.
    - jonhohle 11mo ago
      It’s so bizarre. I wanted to use it for a menu extra and something as simple as animating the icon couldn’t be done. There are several of Apple’s own apps that use animated Menu extra icons and they’re probably doing the same hybrid AppKit/SwiftUI workarounds.
emoII 11mo ago
This is a fun one I think: - Use dark mode - Go to wikipedia (or any white page) - Open the keyboard - Watch the keyboard start in light mode and then resize very weirdly within its container as it switches to dark mode Atleast it does on an iphone 12
mildzebrataste 11mo ago
Sounds like it was QAd by AI.
- noname120 11mo ago
  And not just any AI, probably Apple Intelligence given the level of quality.

by bavent 11mo ago

andix 11mo ago

In my opinion Liquid Glass is still an alpha release. Nothing is really finished, it's conceptually unfinished, the changes are not well thought through, and it's really buggy. I think they failed with Apple Intelligence (also a mess, without being useful) and needed something big. So they planned this big design change. When they realized they failed miserably, it was too late to undo it.

tsunamifury 11mo ago
Liquid Glass was clearly rushed to cover for the total failure of Apple Intelligence. Even the design being criticized distracts from fraudulently selling phones based on features never shipped.
- andix 11mo ago
  The recently presented ChatGPT apps are what Apple Intelligence (and Siri) should've been. Some chat/voice interface, that can access data from installed apps and trigger actions. It should've been a home run for Apple. ChatGPT starts with zero existing apps, Apple has one of the biggest app ecosystem, and with (Siri) Shortcuts they already have most of the necessary interfaces available for years.
  - SV_BubbleTime 11mo ago
    Apple still has an ultimate advantage. They have your context. OpenAI doesn’t know where you are. It doesn’t know what you bought or when you last called your wife, it can’t know your heart rate or your work schedule. Apple can turn it around. Great AI is a good model with lots of context. Your model can be the best, but if you need the user to provide the context it’ll never be a great experience. After working with Claude code for a while now, I’ve become much more aware of how to convey context to a machine, and just how poor some humans are at doing it in conversation. Your AI product is toast if you need people to make it work.
    - andix 11mo ago
      Yes, Apple still has the advantage over OpenAI. But OpenAI can also release some iOS and Android integration layer, that allows to connect with installed apps on the device. If Apple doesn't get their act together with the next iOS release, it could be too late.
      - deaux 11mo ago
        OpenAI can't, they're completely dependent on Apple and Google permitting such a thing. Unless you have a particular way in mind they could currently achieve this?
        SV_BubbleTime 11mo ago
        This is what I was getting at. Permissions in an app are one thing, but if Apple or Google wanted to they could go way deeper.
        andix 11mo ago
        They can integrate into third party apps, if the publishers want to. A lot of them are going to do it. It's already possible to connect Gmail, and many other services, this can extend even more. The connection of those services could be done by the iOS/Android apps.
wltr 11mo ago
Also, I think they will work through bugs, but the losers with the older devices aren’t going to get it.

ChrisMarshallNY 11mo ago

One of the issues is almost certainly that the app developers didn't add the UIDesignRequiresCompatibility = YES[0] item to the Info.plist. Set that, and it doesn't use Liquid Glass in your app. I set it for all my apps. One was designed by a professional designer, who absolutely defecated masonry, when I showed him what it did to our app. I'm worried that Apple may end up ignoring that flag, and will force us to use LG. That would suck. It says that it's temporary, but I'll bet that Apple will be hating life, if they ignore it. I'm not freaking out about Liquid Glass, but I don't like it. I completely agree that it is quite unusable. [0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/BundleResources/Information-Property-List/UIDesignRequiresCompatibility https://developer.apple.com/documentation/BundleResources/In...

bavent 11mo ago
I’m referring entirely to built-in Apple apps - Mail, Messages, etc. The in-house apps can’t even get it right, which to me means: - devs are so siloed, nobody knows what’s going on - product is not communicating anything outside of individual fiefdoms - there is zero QA testing - no designers are actually signing off on the final results …which all seem pretty typical for a large bureaucracy, I guess I just had higher expectations of Apple, since we pay a premium for their products. Some of these bugs are frankly pretty embarrassing.
- ChrisMarshallNY 11mo ago
  A lot of them are SwiftUI apps. I feel that SwiftUI is not ripe. I use it for one of my apps (I have to, in order to use the charts), but it’s too limited to use for anything else.
  - jonhohle 11mo ago
    It’s so bizarre. I wanted to use it for a menu extra and something as simple as animating the icon couldn’t be done. There are several of Apple’s own apps that use animated Menu extra icons and they’re probably doing the same hybrid AppKit/SwiftUI workarounds.

emoII 11mo ago

This is a fun one I think: - Use dark mode - Go to wikipedia (or any white page) - Open the keyboard - Watch the keyboard start in light mode and then resize very weirdly within its container as it switches to dark mode Atleast it does on an iphone 12

mildzebrataste 11mo ago

Sounds like it was QAd by AI.

noname120 11mo ago
And not just any AI, probably Apple Intelligence given the level of quality.