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/r/conservative is probably the most heavily censored echo chamber on Reddit, yet somehow you only take issue with other subreddits flagging participation.

by hilios 11mo ago

LaurensBER 11mo ago
Could you be as kind as to point out where I'm _only_ taking issue with the moderation of other subreddits? As you can see in my comment I'm merely listing a few examples.
- hilios 11mo ago
  You're listing several examples, including /r/conservative, yet even though this subreddit is widely known (on Reddit) to be a censored echo-chamber, you do not mention this aspect. I find it hard to believe, that this would be a coincidence.
  - LaurensBER 11mo ago
    From the HN guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith Let's aim to keep HN better and more pleasant to use than Reddit;)
    - hilios 11mo ago
      I did explain my reasoning. You coincidentally not mentioning /r/conservatives censorship practices, simply doesn't appear plausible, given the context of your comment and demonstrated knowledge of reddit moderating practices.
      - LaurensBER 11mo ago
        I disagree with your assessment, if I remember correctly I posted three times on that sub. The HN guidelines are there to improve the quality of the conversation, there's not much to further discuss so I'm going to leave it at this.
        Aurornis 11mo ago
        > I disagree with your assessment, if I remember correctly I posted three times on that sub. The sub currently requires moderator approval (specific flair) to comment on most threads. The parent commenter is correct: It is widely known as one of the most censored subs on Reddit because the mods remove comments from unapproved accounts (those without flair). Their rules claim that some threads are open for everyone to participate in, which may have been the case in the past when you commented. However it’s not true for any of the popular threads. They will remove comments from unflaired accounts This is all state in their rules. It’s not speculation. The parent comment is correct.
        mlrtime 11mo ago
        No, they are not correct. They are comparing 1 sub (which they disagree with the whole idea of) vs most every popular sub on reddit. There is no comparison.
  - user34283 11mo ago
    That's a very weak argument in my opinion. How does the moderation in /r/conservatives, a subreddit for conservatives to discuss "from a distinctly conservative point of view", concern a liberal like yourself in any way? This isn't a subreddit you need to participate in. I think it's more relevant how default subreddits or country subreddits are moderated in a similar way.
    - hilios 11mo ago
      It concerns me insofar as the comment I was responding to, mentioned that participation in /r/conservative got him banned in another subreddit, while failing to mention the nature of /r/conservative as a heavily censored echo chamber.
      - mlrtime 11mo ago
        Because the rest of reddit is a echo chamber of opposing views. How is that not self evident?
    - Aurornis 11mo ago
      The /r/conservative mods are pushing far-right and conspiracy theory positions, not textbook conservative ideology. Even actual conservatives don’t like it. It’s like a propaganda operation where only approved think is allowed.
Jensson 11mo ago
Does r/conservative ban you for posting in some other sub?
- hilios 11mo ago
  /r/conservative doesn't even allow comments of users without a user flair. They state: "This is designed so that a couple posts per day are almost guaranteed to have conversation which is not hijacked by leftists and other non-conservatives.Who Gets Flair? Only mods can assign User Flair, and User Flair is only for conservatives. Once you have a solid history of comments in /r/Conservative, and have been commenting in the subreddit for at least two weeks,[..] Please understand that this is for conservatives. We do our best to vet you based on your post history on reddit. You will need some post history to qualify - ideally within the subreddit itself. If you do not have a conservative leaning post history you will likely be asked to re-apply when you do." "Strangely" there isn't a single post on their frontpage at the moment, which doesn't require a flair to comment.
  - user34283 11mo ago
    You're not a conservative. Why are you so concerned about participation criteria for the conservative subreddit, one of the only distinctly right wing places on the whole platform?
    - jghn 11mo ago
      Part of the problem is the mods' narrow definition of "conservative". And this is the larger point of this entire comment thread. There are plenty of people with traditional conservative values who are not welcome in r/conservative. Not to mention, over time the tent has been shrinking as well. Which, to be fair, is not unlike how the GOP has been operating over the last few years.
      - mallowdram 11mo ago
        These examples are brilliant illustrations of an internet endgame for symbols, representations, metaphors. In other words, "the internet: where primate communication came to die."
dijit 11mo ago
I think the argument here is guilt by association. It's a bit like banning entry into the US because you've visited Russia. It doesn't really matter how Russia runs their own country, you might have even gone there to argue against totalitarian dictatorships. But a US border guard looking at your passport and rejecting your entry based on that alone feels like overreach. How subs choose to moderate their content is roughly speaking sort of fine, as long as there's no organised harassment, sharing of illegal materials (child porn, revenge porn, war materials etc) and threats of violence or death.
- hilios 11mo ago
  >But a US border guard looking at your passport and rejecting your entry based on that alone feels like overreach. This is at least such a common practice, that certain countries issue their entry visas in such a way, that they can be removed from the passport. I'd expect issues entering the US, if I had an Iranian stamp in my passport.
  - detaro 11mo ago
    And in some places it's one of the few reasons to get a second passport issued.

/r/conservative is probably the most heavily censored echo chamber on Reddit, yet somehow you only take issue with other subreddits flagging participation.

by hilios 11mo ago

/r/conservative is probably the most heavily censored echo chamber on Reddit, yet somehow you only take issue with other subreddits flagging participation.

LaurensBER 11mo ago

Could you be as kind as to point out where I'm _only_ taking issue with the moderation of other subreddits? As you can see in my comment I'm merely listing a few examples.

hilios 11mo ago
You're listing several examples, including /r/conservative, yet even though this subreddit is widely known (on Reddit) to be a censored echo-chamber, you do not mention this aspect. I find it hard to believe, that this would be a coincidence.
- LaurensBER 11mo ago
  From the HN guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith Let's aim to keep HN better and more pleasant to use than Reddit;)
  - hilios 11mo ago
    I did explain my reasoning. You coincidentally not mentioning /r/conservatives censorship practices, simply doesn't appear plausible, given the context of your comment and demonstrated knowledge of reddit moderating practices.
    - LaurensBER 11mo ago
      I disagree with your assessment, if I remember correctly I posted three times on that sub. The HN guidelines are there to improve the quality of the conversation, there's not much to further discuss so I'm going to leave it at this.
      - Aurornis 11mo ago
        > I disagree with your assessment, if I remember correctly I posted three times on that sub. The sub currently requires moderator approval (specific flair) to comment on most threads. The parent commenter is correct: It is widely known as one of the most censored subs on Reddit because the mods remove comments from unapproved accounts (those without flair). Their rules claim that some threads are open for everyone to participate in, which may have been the case in the past when you commented. However it’s not true for any of the popular threads. They will remove comments from unflaired accounts This is all state in their rules. It’s not speculation. The parent comment is correct.
        mlrtime 11mo ago
        No, they are not correct. They are comparing 1 sub (which they disagree with the whole idea of) vs most every popular sub on reddit. There is no comparison.
- user34283 11mo ago
  That's a very weak argument in my opinion. How does the moderation in /r/conservatives, a subreddit for conservatives to discuss "from a distinctly conservative point of view", concern a liberal like yourself in any way? This isn't a subreddit you need to participate in. I think it's more relevant how default subreddits or country subreddits are moderated in a similar way.
  - hilios 11mo ago
    It concerns me insofar as the comment I was responding to, mentioned that participation in /r/conservative got him banned in another subreddit, while failing to mention the nature of /r/conservative as a heavily censored echo chamber.
    - mlrtime 11mo ago
      Because the rest of reddit is a echo chamber of opposing views. How is that not self evident?
  - Aurornis 11mo ago
    The /r/conservative mods are pushing far-right and conspiracy theory positions, not textbook conservative ideology. Even actual conservatives don’t like it. It’s like a propaganda operation where only approved think is allowed.

Jensson 11mo ago

Does r/conservative ban you for posting in some other sub?

hilios 11mo ago
/r/conservative doesn't even allow comments of users without a user flair. They state: "This is designed so that a couple posts per day are almost guaranteed to have conversation which is not hijacked by leftists and other non-conservatives.Who Gets Flair? Only mods can assign User Flair, and User Flair is only for conservatives. Once you have a solid history of comments in /r/Conservative, and have been commenting in the subreddit for at least two weeks,[..] Please understand that this is for conservatives. We do our best to vet you based on your post history on reddit. You will need some post history to qualify - ideally within the subreddit itself. If you do not have a conservative leaning post history you will likely be asked to re-apply when you do." "Strangely" there isn't a single post on their frontpage at the moment, which doesn't require a flair to comment.
- user34283 11mo ago
  You're not a conservative. Why are you so concerned about participation criteria for the conservative subreddit, one of the only distinctly right wing places on the whole platform?
  - jghn 11mo ago
    Part of the problem is the mods' narrow definition of "conservative". And this is the larger point of this entire comment thread. There are plenty of people with traditional conservative values who are not welcome in r/conservative. Not to mention, over time the tent has been shrinking as well. Which, to be fair, is not unlike how the GOP has been operating over the last few years.
    - mallowdram 11mo ago
      These examples are brilliant illustrations of an internet endgame for symbols, representations, metaphors. In other words, "the internet: where primate communication came to die."

dijit 11mo ago

I think the argument here is guilt by association. It's a bit like banning entry into the US because you've visited Russia. It doesn't really matter how Russia runs their own country, you might have even gone there to argue against totalitarian dictatorships. But a US border guard looking at your passport and rejecting your entry based on that alone feels like overreach. How subs choose to moderate their content is roughly speaking sort of fine, as long as there's no organised harassment, sharing of illegal materials (child porn, revenge porn, war materials etc) and threats of violence or death.

hilios 11mo ago
>But a US border guard looking at your passport and rejecting your entry based on that alone feels like overreach. This is at least such a common practice, that certain countries issue their entry visas in such a way, that they can be removed from the passport. I'd expect issues entering the US, if I had an Iranian stamp in my passport.
- detaro 11mo ago
  And in some places it's one of the few reasons to get a second passport issued.