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AFAICT, Chrome and Firefox on iOS are still just WebKit wrappers. I’d love for that to change though, WebKit in iOS sucks in quite a few ways.

m-s-y 1y ago
such as? I consider myself a power user and I've never run into anything I couldn't handle or get around. Genuinely curious.
- akersten 1y ago
  No support for uBlock Origin and other tools that make the web sane
  - WD-42 1y ago
    Orion is doing it somehow on iOS in a way I still don’t really understand.
    - lukashahnart 1y ago
      As far as I know, they just emulate the Chrome extension API right?
    - pavon 1y ago
      No they aren't? https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-... https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-functioning-at-all-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-function...
  - GeekyBear 1y ago
    Chrome doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin on desktop, or any version of it on mobile. How does Chrome have so much market share?
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      Blink supports Windows, Android and Linux better than WebKit or Gecko does, to name at least one one reason. If it weren't for uBlock I'd probably be using a Chrome fork right now.
      - GeekyBear 1y ago
        Chrome on Android makes the web completely unusable without having access to uBlock, especially on resource constrained devices. Chrome on Windows doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin that still works on the YouTube website. It's just Google abusing its browser monopoly in the name of ad revenue.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        Chrome on Android doesn't support extensions, but Blink does. One of the benefits to allowing modified browser engines.
        GeekyBear 1y ago
        Google has already shown that they will slowly and methodically use every lever at their disposal to nerf ad blocking, regardless of what the user base thinks. It's the exact same playbook Microsoft is using to block users from logging onto their own computer without using an online Microsoft account. Given that Google has already started working to limit sideloading on Android, those days seem limited.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        Blink is an open source project. If Google updates Chrome and Android to refuse sideloading at all, you can still fork both projects. Your entire argument relies on a hypothetical you can't prove and doesn't scare anyone. To Android users you sound more like Chicken Little than the Boy who Cried Wolf.
        1y ago
  - ezfe 1y ago
    Wipr and UserScripts on Safari prove to me that that's not a real issue...I understand compatibility problems are still issues, but ads/etc. are a fully solved one for Safari users.
  - iruoy 1y ago
    uBlock Origin Lite now available for Safari https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825
- jampekka 1y ago
  Web devs make huge efforts to work around WebKit's issues. It's the new IE6.
  - Klonoar 1y ago
    WebKit is not lacking in things your average dev needs and it’s not that big of a deal to work around, much like it’s not that big a deal to work around things in Gecko - or presumably Ladybird whenever it becomes usable enough.
- chrisldgk 1y ago
  For me it’s a lot of layout and rendering bugs that I run into with somewhat normal CSS transforms. Anytime I build a site that has any kind of animation, there’s at least one weird rendering bug on iOS. Also that stupid playsInline prop that if you forget it makes any video in the viewport hijack the browser and go fullscreen.

m-s-y 1y ago

such as? I consider myself a power user and I've never run into anything I couldn't handle or get around. Genuinely curious.

akersten 1y ago
No support for uBlock Origin and other tools that make the web sane
- WD-42 1y ago
  Orion is doing it somehow on iOS in a way I still don’t really understand.
  - lukashahnart 1y ago
    As far as I know, they just emulate the Chrome extension API right?
  - pavon 1y ago
    No they aren't? https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-... https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-functioning-at-all-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-function...
- GeekyBear 1y ago
  Chrome doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin on desktop, or any version of it on mobile. How does Chrome have so much market share?
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Blink supports Windows, Android and Linux better than WebKit or Gecko does, to name at least one one reason. If it weren't for uBlock I'd probably be using a Chrome fork right now.
    - GeekyBear 1y ago
      Chrome on Android makes the web completely unusable without having access to uBlock, especially on resource constrained devices. Chrome on Windows doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin that still works on the YouTube website. It's just Google abusing its browser monopoly in the name of ad revenue.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        Chrome on Android doesn't support extensions, but Blink does. One of the benefits to allowing modified browser engines.
        GeekyBear 1y ago
        Google has already shown that they will slowly and methodically use every lever at their disposal to nerf ad blocking, regardless of what the user base thinks. It's the exact same playbook Microsoft is using to block users from logging onto their own computer without using an online Microsoft account. Given that Google has already started working to limit sideloading on Android, those days seem limited.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        Blink is an open source project. If Google updates Chrome and Android to refuse sideloading at all, you can still fork both projects. Your entire argument relies on a hypothetical you can't prove and doesn't scare anyone. To Android users you sound more like Chicken Little than the Boy who Cried Wolf.
        1y ago
- ezfe 1y ago
  Wipr and UserScripts on Safari prove to me that that's not a real issue...I understand compatibility problems are still issues, but ads/etc. are a fully solved one for Safari users.
- iruoy 1y ago
  uBlock Origin Lite now available for Safari https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44795825
jampekka 1y ago
Web devs make huge efforts to work around WebKit's issues. It's the new IE6.
- Klonoar 1y ago
  WebKit is not lacking in things your average dev needs and it’s not that big of a deal to work around, much like it’s not that big a deal to work around things in Gecko - or presumably Ladybird whenever it becomes usable enough.
chrisldgk 1y ago
For me it’s a lot of layout and rendering bugs that I run into with somewhat normal CSS transforms. Anytime I build a site that has any kind of animation, there’s at least one weird rendering bug on iOS. Also that stupid playsInline prop that if you forget it makes any video in the viewport hijack the browser and go fullscreen.