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The license used for this is quite a read. Available to the world except the European Union, the UK, and South Korea Not sure what led to that choice. I'd h

The license used for this is quite a read. Available to the world except the European Union, the UK, and South Korea Not sure what led to that choice. I'd have expected either the U.S. & Canada to be in there, or not these. 3. DISTRIBUTION. [...] c. You are encouraged to: (i) publish at least one technology introduction blogpost or one public statement expressing Your experience of using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works; and (ii) mark the products or services developed by using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works to indicate that the product/service is “Powered by Tencent Hunyuan”; [...] What's that doing in the license? What's the implications of a license-listed "encouragement"?

whimsicalism 1y ago
EU has very difficult AI and data regulations, not sure about South Korea
- isodev 1y ago
  That's false, though. It's clickbait headlines that make it seem difficult ;-)
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    i work in this field, i assure you that there is significant compliance toil and risk. i just had to interrupt my vacation to deal with evolving DMA issues. one of the big problems with EU regulation is how vague it is, just look at the text of the AI act
mushufasa 1y ago
The EU and others listed are actively trying to regulate AI. Permissive OSS libraries' "one job" is to disclaim liability. This is interesting that they are just prohibiting usage altogether in jurisdictions where the definition of liability is uncertain & worrying to the authors.
- amelius 1y ago
  That would be an extremely lazy way of writing a license.
  - jandrewrogers 1y ago
    Unlikely laziness, since they went to the effort of writing a custom license in the first place. A more plausible explanation is the requirements and obligations of those markets are ambiguous or open-ended in such a way that they cannot be meaningfully limited by a license, per the lawyers they retain to create things like licenses. Lawyers don’t like vague and uncertain risk, so they advised the company to reduce their risk exposure by opting out of those markets.
    - notpushkin 1y ago
      I don’t get it. Couldn’t they just write a liability disclaimer clause that covers that, without explicitly calling out particular jurisdictions? E.g. “you are solely responsible for ensuring your use of the model is lawful and agree to indemnify the authors or whatever. If you can’t do that in your jurisdiction, you can’t use the model.”
      - NitpickLawyer 1y ago
        The problem is that AI act covers entities releasing AI software as open source. That has never been the case so far, so while they're still figuring it out, better safe than sorry.
    - amelius 1y ago
      Maybe, but if you cannot say something simple as "here is something you can use for free, use at your own risk, we are not liable for anything", then that is a clear indication of the bankruptcy of the law, imho. Since the law is very well developed in the EU, I think the people who wrote the license were just lazy.
      - 1y ago
flanked-evergl 1y ago
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- gddgb 1y ago
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NullCascade 1y ago
Maybe private Chinese AI labs consider EU/UK regulators a bigger threat than US anti-China hawks.
aaron695 1y ago
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NitpickLawyer 1y ago
> Not sure what led to that choice. It's the EU AI act. I've tried their cute little app a week ago, designed to let you know if you comply, what you need to report and so on. I got a basically yes, but likely no, still have to register to bla-bla and announce yak-yak and do the dooby-doo, after selecting SME - open source - research - no client facing anything. It was a mess when they proposed it, it was said to be better while they were working on it, turns out to be as unclear and as bureaucratic now that it's out.
- kookamamie 1y ago
  At the same time Time selected Henna Virkkunen on their AI 200 list: https://time.com/collections/time100-ai-2025/7305860/henna-virkkunen/ https://time.com/collections/time100-ai-2025/7305860/henna-v... - they are one of the architects of this AI Act nonsense.
  - flanked-evergl 1y ago
    EU is fully invested into virtue signalling over actual tangible results. People keep saying how much stronger EU's economy is than Russia's, and how Russia is basically a gas station with Nukes, but the thing is, even with EU's "strong" economy Russia has them by the balls. They have to go hat in hand begging the US to step in because they can't do anything themselves, and the US is not going to keep propping up EU long term, especially not with how hostile the Europeans are towards Americans. I live in Europe, I don't want Europe to become a vassal of China/Russia - but if something drastically does not change it will. Russia is Europe's Carthage, Russia must fall. There is no future with a Russia as it is today and a Europe as it is today in it, not because of Europe, but because of Russia. If Europe does not eliminate Russia, Russia will eliminate Europe. I have no doubts about this. But as things stand, there just seems no way in which we practically can counter Russia at all. If Europe had determination, it would have sent Troops into Ukraine and created a no-fly zone — it should do that, but here we are.
    - suddenlybananas 1y ago
      Russia is not a serious threat to Europe. France has nukes and a competent army, and Russia has been shown to be a relatively weak power in its difficulties invading Ukraine. Even if they win the war ultimately, it took so long that it is difficult to imagine them winning in a war with serious powers like France.
wkat4242 1y ago
I wonder if you can still download and use it here in the EU.. I don't care about licensing legalese, but I guess you have to sign up somewhere to get the goods?
- notpushkin 1y ago
  It’s on HF: https://huggingface.co/tencent/HunyuanWorld-Voyager https://huggingface.co/tencent/HunyuanWorld-Voyager
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    Thanks!! I saw there wasn't all that much on github so I missed that part.
b3lvedere 1y ago
"You are encouraged to: (i) publish at least one technology introduction blogpost or one public statement expressing Your experience of using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works; and (ii) mark the products or services developed by using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works to indicate that the product/service is “Powered by Tencent Hunyuan” " Is this the new 'please like and subscribe/feed us your info' method?
BryanLegend 1y ago
So in this case is North Korea more free than South Korea?
isodev 1y ago
That's malicious compliance. The AI Act is quite straightforward in this case - Tencent would need to document a summary of their training data, copyright compliance (that they're not stealing content to train their model) and explain how they do risk (model safety) management. That's it. It's really not rocket science.

whimsicalism 1y ago

EU has very difficult AI and data regulations, not sure about South Korea

isodev 1y ago
That's false, though. It's clickbait headlines that make it seem difficult ;-)
- whimsicalism 1y ago
  i work in this field, i assure you that there is significant compliance toil and risk. i just had to interrupt my vacation to deal with evolving DMA issues. one of the big problems with EU regulation is how vague it is, just look at the text of the AI act

mushufasa 1y ago

The EU and others listed are actively trying to regulate AI. Permissive OSS libraries' "one job" is to disclaim liability. This is interesting that they are just prohibiting usage altogether in jurisdictions where the definition of liability is uncertain & worrying to the authors.

amelius 1y ago
That would be an extremely lazy way of writing a license.
- jandrewrogers 1y ago
  Unlikely laziness, since they went to the effort of writing a custom license in the first place. A more plausible explanation is the requirements and obligations of those markets are ambiguous or open-ended in such a way that they cannot be meaningfully limited by a license, per the lawyers they retain to create things like licenses. Lawyers don’t like vague and uncertain risk, so they advised the company to reduce their risk exposure by opting out of those markets.
  - notpushkin 1y ago
    I don’t get it. Couldn’t they just write a liability disclaimer clause that covers that, without explicitly calling out particular jurisdictions? E.g. “you are solely responsible for ensuring your use of the model is lawful and agree to indemnify the authors or whatever. If you can’t do that in your jurisdiction, you can’t use the model.”
    - NitpickLawyer 1y ago
      The problem is that AI act covers entities releasing AI software as open source. That has never been the case so far, so while they're still figuring it out, better safe than sorry.
  - amelius 1y ago
    Maybe, but if you cannot say something simple as "here is something you can use for free, use at your own risk, we are not liable for anything", then that is a clear indication of the bankruptcy of the law, imho. Since the law is very well developed in the EU, I think the people who wrote the license were just lazy.
    - 1y ago

flanked-evergl 1y ago

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gddgb 1y ago
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NullCascade 1y ago

Maybe private Chinese AI labs consider EU/UK regulators a bigger threat than US anti-China hawks.

aaron695 1y ago

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NitpickLawyer 1y ago

> Not sure what led to that choice. It's the EU AI act. I've tried their cute little app a week ago, designed to let you know if you comply, what you need to report and so on. I got a basically yes, but likely no, still have to register to bla-bla and announce yak-yak and do the dooby-doo, after selecting SME - open source - research - no client facing anything. It was a mess when they proposed it, it was said to be better while they were working on it, turns out to be as unclear and as bureaucratic now that it's out.

kookamamie 1y ago
At the same time Time selected Henna Virkkunen on their AI 200 list: https://time.com/collections/time100-ai-2025/7305860/henna-virkkunen/ https://time.com/collections/time100-ai-2025/7305860/henna-v... - they are one of the architects of this AI Act nonsense.
- flanked-evergl 1y ago
  EU is fully invested into virtue signalling over actual tangible results. People keep saying how much stronger EU's economy is than Russia's, and how Russia is basically a gas station with Nukes, but the thing is, even with EU's "strong" economy Russia has them by the balls. They have to go hat in hand begging the US to step in because they can't do anything themselves, and the US is not going to keep propping up EU long term, especially not with how hostile the Europeans are towards Americans. I live in Europe, I don't want Europe to become a vassal of China/Russia - but if something drastically does not change it will. Russia is Europe's Carthage, Russia must fall. There is no future with a Russia as it is today and a Europe as it is today in it, not because of Europe, but because of Russia. If Europe does not eliminate Russia, Russia will eliminate Europe. I have no doubts about this. But as things stand, there just seems no way in which we practically can counter Russia at all. If Europe had determination, it would have sent Troops into Ukraine and created a no-fly zone — it should do that, but here we are.
  - suddenlybananas 1y ago
    Russia is not a serious threat to Europe. France has nukes and a competent army, and Russia has been shown to be a relatively weak power in its difficulties invading Ukraine. Even if they win the war ultimately, it took so long that it is difficult to imagine them winning in a war with serious powers like France.

wkat4242 1y ago

I wonder if you can still download and use it here in the EU.. I don't care about licensing legalese, but I guess you have to sign up somewhere to get the goods?

notpushkin 1y ago
It’s on HF: https://huggingface.co/tencent/HunyuanWorld-Voyager https://huggingface.co/tencent/HunyuanWorld-Voyager
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Thanks!! I saw there wasn't all that much on github so I missed that part.

b3lvedere 1y ago

"You are encouraged to: (i) publish at least one technology introduction blogpost or one public statement expressing Your experience of using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works; and (ii) mark the products or services developed by using the Tencent HunyuanWorld-Voyager Works to indicate that the product/service is “Powered by Tencent Hunyuan” " Is this the new 'please like and subscribe/feed us your info' method?

BryanLegend 1y ago

So in this case is North Korea more free than South Korea?

isodev 1y ago

That's malicious compliance. The AI Act is quite straightforward in this case - Tencent would need to document a summary of their training data, copyright compliance (that they're not stealing content to train their model) and explain how they do risk (model safety) management. That's it. It's really not rocket science.