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> For Free and Plus users, these changes take effect immediately. Pro, Team, and Enterprise users will also see the changes at launch but will have access to ol

> For Free and Plus users, these changes take effect immediately. Pro, Team, and Enterprise users will also see the changes at launch but will have access to older models through legacy model settings. So only for free/plus users (for now). I do wonder how long they will take to deprecate these models via API though...

weird-eye-issue 1y ago
I'm not worried about when they will deprecate them but I am worried about when they will be removed 3.5 Turbo has been deprecated for a long time but is still running
- erjiang 1y ago
  The list of models to be retired is about ChatGPT. Those models are still in the API.
  - weird-eye-issue 1y ago
    Yeah, I'm very aware which is why I was replying to "I do wonder how long they will take to deprecate these models via API though..."
- croemer 1y ago
  On the web version, they have already been removed for me (Plus subscription). My app hasn't got 5 yet but I bet it will be an immediate removal there as well.
  - weird-eye-issue 1y ago
    I was specifically replying to the comment about deprecation which was about the API and not the app or web
BoorishBears 1y ago
So they confirmed what we've all been speculating: this is a cost saving update Smaller base models + more RL. Technically better at the verticals that are making money, but worse on subjective preference. They'll probably try to prompt engineer back in some of the "vibes", hence the personalities. But also maybe they decided people spending $20 a month to hammer 4o all day as a friend (no judgement, really) are ok to tick off for now... and judging by Reddit, they are very ticked off.
cj 1y ago
I have a ChatGPT Team plan, but the only model available is GPT-5. I'm not seeing an option to enable legacy models anywhere. The only way to get access to other models right now (for me at least) is via the iPhone app, for now.
- erjiang 1y ago
  On the ChatGPT website, there should be an option to enable the legacy models in your user settings.
- tarvaina 1y ago
  You can turn them on in the workspace admin settings: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11954883-legacy-model-access-for-team-enterprise-and-edu-users https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11954883-legacy-model-ac...
  - cj 1y ago
    I could be blind, but (as a workspace admin, in admin settings) there's no "Models" setting available in our Team account.
    - tarvaina 1y ago
      You are absolutely right, I cannot see it there either! Sorry for the misdirection.
      - scotty79 1y ago
        That exchange sounded very gpt-like.

weird-eye-issue 1y ago

I'm not worried about when they will deprecate them but I am worried about when they will be removed 3.5 Turbo has been deprecated for a long time but is still running

erjiang 1y ago
The list of models to be retired is about ChatGPT. Those models are still in the API.
- weird-eye-issue 1y ago
  Yeah, I'm very aware which is why I was replying to "I do wonder how long they will take to deprecate these models via API though..."
croemer 1y ago
On the web version, they have already been removed for me (Plus subscription). My app hasn't got 5 yet but I bet it will be an immediate removal there as well.
- weird-eye-issue 1y ago
  I was specifically replying to the comment about deprecation which was about the API and not the app or web

BoorishBears 1y ago

So they confirmed what we've all been speculating: this is a cost saving update Smaller base models + more RL. Technically better at the verticals that are making money, but worse on subjective preference. They'll probably try to prompt engineer back in some of the "vibes", hence the personalities. But also maybe they decided people spending $20 a month to hammer 4o all day as a friend (no judgement, really) are ok to tick off for now... and judging by Reddit, they are very ticked off.

cj 1y ago

I have a ChatGPT Team plan, but the only model available is GPT-5. I'm not seeing an option to enable legacy models anywhere. The only way to get access to other models right now (for me at least) is via the iPhone app, for now.

erjiang 1y ago
On the ChatGPT website, there should be an option to enable the legacy models in your user settings.
tarvaina 1y ago
You can turn them on in the workspace admin settings: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11954883-legacy-model-access-for-team-enterprise-and-edu-users https://help.openai.com/en/articles/11954883-legacy-model-ac...
- cj 1y ago
  I could be blind, but (as a workspace admin, in admin settings) there's no "Models" setting available in our Team account.
  - tarvaina 1y ago
    You are absolutely right, I cannot see it there either! Sorry for the misdirection.
    - scotty79 1y ago
      That exchange sounded very gpt-like.