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Thanks, tech industry! A generational disruption in all forms of science and the destruction of the crown jewels of America’s last century, but at least now you
by arghandugh 1y ago
Thanks, tech industry! A generational disruption in all forms of science and the destruction of the crown jewels of America’s last century, but at least now you get to be ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers.
- h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y ago...and you still didn't get your Praxis nation! Ha!
- jewelry 1y agoHow come is it the tech industry to blame? Trump’s election result is because of the decades of de-industrialization and undereducated people left out of the growth during this time. I don’t see why tech industry would be the first to blame.
- oc1 1y agoIf i leave a knife on the table and you decide to stab me with it, who is to blame? The knife, me or you?
- butterlettuce 1y agodef runMentalGymnastics(): “”” You, because you left the knife on the table “”” pass
- sokoloff 1y agoWhat part of this do you think is the fault of the “tech industry”? The tech industry certainly has its flaws and things to criticize, but this doesn’t seem part of it, unless I’m missing a connection somehow.
- ddos27 1y agoPeter Thiel, David Sacks, Ellison and of course Elon Musk who funded the trump
- aisenik 1y agoIt feels like malpractice to leave Andreessen off the list, if only because he's such a good example of how losery and pathetic the tech moguls really are. Imagine becoming wealthy and powerful in an age of abundance off of NCSA Mosaic and throwing it all away because you feel threatened by black people and think that government funded research is now bad. That's the level of "advanced thought" in these guys' group chats.
- mittensc 1y ago[flagged]
- LtWorf 1y agoLol, quite convenient to blame trump on the evil dictators of someplace else.
- mittensc 1y agoelections worldwide, not just the US. They are trying to dismantle/weaken democracies everywhere. That they are not the only ones with the same intentions is not good.
- LtWorf 1y agoEvery large country is doing that everywhere constantly. It's not an exclusive of the ones you don't like.
- mittensc 1y agoHow does the US influence elections in Russia/China? Also, I care about my children not growing up in a dictatorship. As such, their manipulation affects me directly... You should too. You won't like being treated like a literal slave. Deflecting like this just empowers the same manipulation.
- LtWorf 1y ago> How does the US influence elections in Russia/China? Are you claiming the CIA doesn't exist? Are you claiming there was never any stay behind organisation? Are you claiming the entire continent of south america doesn't see USA intervention every time they vote wrong? I also don't like dictatorships, and USA propped dictators aren't any better than russian ones.
- nradov 1y ago
- hansmayer 1y agoWho were the people in the front row behind the current president during his inauguration ceremony, I wonder?
- fastball 1y ago[flagged]
- scotty79 1y agohttps://news.sky.com/story/biden-inauguration-who-was-there-and-how-the-crowd-compares-with-trumps-ceremony-12193458 https://news.sky.com/story/biden-inauguration-who-was-there-... I don't really see complete ensamble of billionaire tech bro club here.
- pixxel 1y ago[dead]
- croes 1y agoYou mean the last non-authoritarian president of the US?
- myvoiceismypass 1y agoBush, the Clintons, the Obamas, Lady Gaga, Mike Pence, Hunter & Ashley Biden, Kamala & Doug. I think I spot the McConnell's too.
- bluealienpie 1y agoProbably the creation of techno-fascist state, or at least the desire to have one as outlined by Thiel and co. The excessive deference that all tech companies have had towards elected leaders instead of striving for independence under the law, and now they strive to co-opt government to achieve their goals.
- jakubmazanec 1y agoSome of the tech industry leaders were going all-in on Trump before the election [1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40562399 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40562399
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- whoknowsidont 1y ago[flagged]
- fastball 1y agoYeah, the entire tech industry is a monolith which collectively supports one platform or another.
- exe34 1y agoThe entire tech industry is roughly a dozen billionaires and then a bunch of nobodies.
- derektank 1y agoEven if you limit yourself to billionaires, I don't see how you can possibly blame Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella, Jensen Huang, and Tim Cook for the current administration's decisions to cut funding to science and basic research (among other bad decisions). The worst thing you can say about them is that some of them, after the election, essentially paid bribes to the protection racket that is the current administration. It would be more noble if they refused, but it's also sort of blaming the victim and either way had no impact on these decisions
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoThe people that proactively bend the knee before they are forced to are giving support to the bad guys. Cowards.
- exe34 1y agoIf the richest and most powerful people in the world who stand to gain the most from a self-coup are the victims... you and I have a very different definition of "victim".
- isoprophlex 1y agoThe relentless disintermediation of, well, everything in society is powered by big tech. No middle class can exist anymore in the neoliberal turbocapitalist system that's trying to grow into place everywhere; there is just the little human puttering about, and a bunch of extremely rich oligarchs and tech bros taking their money. Technology made all of this possible. From amazon (destruction of local shops) to uber (not saying the old system was good, but who needs transit concentrated into the hands of a few) to google (monopolizing and stifling search and adtech). And who knows what role large scale manipulation by stochastic propaganda parrots will play.
- prpl 1y agoWell, among other things, the Vice President was quite literally a tech venture capitalist with all sorts of tech support (not that kind though)
- isodev 1y agoJust a wild guess: The connection is uncontrolled growth, where companies evolve from a normal business to a perpetual "increasing shareholder value" grift (think the Apples, Googles, Microsofts, Metas, (Space)Xs out there...). It happened when tech incorporated "the user" as a product (as opposed to tech working to actually solve problems and elevate the status quo).
- fastball 1y ago[flagged]
- isodev 1y ago[flagged]
- Larrikin 1y agoYour use of the word fuck and aggressiveness of your question indicates you know exactly why.
- fastball 1y agoAre the use of the word fuck and the aggressiveness separate aspects? And no, I do not know exactly why. In what universe is SpaceX a company that mostly just cares about "increasing shareholder value" and not literally pushing the boundaries of the human endeavor?
- croes 1y agoSo Thiel and Musk have nothing to do with Trump getting elected. Or Social networks as an easy way of spreading misinformation. New to the club AI that delivers convincing sound, photo and video „proofs“ for any fake news they want including elaborated texts fitting to their target audience
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- kortilla 1y agoThe tech industry overwhelmingly voted against Trump. Pick a different boogeyman
- mittensc 1y agowho did most of the tech billionaires sponsor?
- derektank 1y agoMost tech billionaires didn't endorse anyone because the election was close and they wanted to avoid scrutiny by either party. A few high profile tech billionaires endorsed Donald Trump
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- sour-taste 1y agoThe workers did, the people with money welcomed him with open arms hoping for less regulation and big contracts. Look in the row behind trump during his inauguration if you need proof.
- kortilla 1y agothey only welcomed him after he won in a big ring kissing competition (apart from Musk and a famous VC or two of course)
- watwut 1y agoSomehow, they did not welcomed previous democratic president. And somehow, I doubt they would welcome Harris the same way. Like common, they were eager and happy to kiss the ring and support him.
- ivewonyoung 1y ago> Somehow, they did not welcomed previous democratic president They did, but such information is not brought up due to political bias here. For example, how many people here know that Uber donated $1 million(the max amount possible) to Biden's inauguration? Google, Amazon and Microsoft donated too.
- Ygg2 1y ago> ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers Which one? If you want to blame anyone, try the financial sector and financialization of everything. They fed the conflagration and created perfect condition for Trump-like figure to rise.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoIt's a very worthwhile story to follow imo :)
- crinkly 1y agoI work for one of the largest financial companies. It's not us or the sector. There's a whole shadow sector behind the scenes doing this stuff run by billionaire funded think tanks who manipulated tech markets and leverage political and social manipulation through their connections. It's the world we live in but we didn't create it. Shit education leads to pliable humans leads to social manipulation leads to desired outcomes from marketing efforts.
- tonyhart7 1y agois that same people that I was thinking???? I know they all one to blame even they control government
- crinkly 1y agoWell there's quite a few of them who are ideologically aligned.
- OhioMan2943 1y agoIs this in the same vein as those who are influencing the republican party or something a little more discreet. A hint never hurt
- Ygg2 1y agoI don't blame any particular sector in particularly but everyone is guilty in aggregate. And this has been going on for decades. At the end of the day it's what capitalism is best at maximizing efficiency, and externalizing the risks to someone else.
- smokel 1y agoAny practical tips on how to improve upon the current situation?
- kbrkbr 1y agoInner emigration? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_emigration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_emigration
- actualwitch 1y agoStart perusing https://news.ycombinator.com/active https://news.ycombinator.com/active as your hn frontpage and make note of a very obvious flagging bias there. Vouch and upvote the information that is getting hidden while not breaking the guidelines. Hulk Hogan's death being front page news while MechaHitler getting flagged tells you everything you need to know about this site.
- thowaway7564902 1y agoThat's not what's important right now. What's important is figuring out whose fault this is - Randy Marsh
- oc1 1y agoThanks also Y Combinator and friends for making this possible
- pi-err 1y agoYou could swap "tech" for "big media" and just play the same blame game for Reagan's and Bush Jr's elections. > the crown jewels of America’s last century Including Nasa in this pure idealization of the past. Nasa had many flaws that enabled a catastrophic Shuttle program and then the slow loss of US go-to-LEO capability. There's probably more to expect of US investment in space without incompetent or contradictory military and political oversight than the current nasa zombie programs. And it's unclear that Nasa can ever be without that oversight.
- exe34 1y agoYes, too much oversight is the problem here, not lobbying and self-interest/corruption.
- pydry 1y agoThe shuttle program wasnt what NASA wanted to do, it was the military that pushed for that. It's ironic that you'd blame them for the thing they didnt want to do. If theyd kept their budget and autonomy after the moon landing it looked like they wouldve been building reusable rockets like the ones elon is building now, except in like, 1980.
- pi-err 1y agoIt's ironic that you didn't read a comment before answering. > it's unclear that Nasa can ever be without that (military and political) oversight By design, Nasa is probably doomed to get interference. > If theyd kept their budget and autonomy after the moon landing it looked like they wouldve been building reusable rockets Pure fantasy. Nasa's interest for reusable vehicles led them to the Shuttle. Even without all the design changes, it would have been a dud. Due to its nature, Nasa can't freely explore and commit to a design like SpaceX does/did. It draws a concept and freezes it after contractor review, only to find after an already massive investment if it works. Then there's public accountability instead of executive risk taking. I'd bet the proper way to have protected Nasa would have been to keep it focused on key scientific missions with limited financial exposure. Mars rovers are a perfect case, or most James Webb. Using Nasa to go back to the Moon or reach Mars was doomed to fail (sort of like it failed post Apollo).
- hopelite 1y ago“… at least now you get to be ruled by a violent senile pedophile and his deranged crackhead enablers.” Which one? *blank stare* America has a deeply rooted problem with a parasitic and evil, lying, conniving, devious ruling class and their treasonous, accomplice enablers… to clarify what may be dismissed by some because you call them “crackheads”.
- amanaplanacanal 1y agoIt used to be they tried to hide it and were embarrassed when they got caught. Sometimes they even got thrown out of office.
- hopelite 1y agoI am quite convinced that this is at least one of the "benefits" of things like the sexual liberation movement and even the push to breach national norms against pornography; you don't even have to be embarrassed or step down, let alone be prosecuted for perversion, degeneracy, sexual abuse, etc. if you are a ruling class perverse person that is bored with normal things and therefore seek ever increasingly perverse, degenerate, transgressive, and abusive things. You are also easily controlled and manipulated once you have crossed the line and are compromised by indulging in perversions. What do you do when/if you have everything else, you have done everything else, and normal things everyone else does bore you and you essentially have unlimited money/resources; you do things that most people cannot even imagine anyone would think of doing, let alone do them. It is why certain elements of our society have worked so hard to corrupt society in all kinds of ways, including through desensitization through all kinds of media and even things like essentially taking capital punishment off the table, even for the ver people who it is most effective for, deliberate, intentional "white collar" criminals like the very kinds that do perverse things. You can't pardon perverts and con artists and traitors if they are dead.
- _proofs 1y agosorta sounds like altered carbon's "meth" class of wealth.
- pixxel 1y ago[dead]
- Robotbeat 1y agoFWIW, this is the brainworm faction that fought the techbro faction and got them kicked out of the throne room. Think Russell Vought and the OMB, not Elon. Elon registered his disapproval of the huge science cuts in the President’s budget request. The nominated techbro NASA administrator was cancelled because he wasn’t anti-science enough.